Trump: How were so many duped?

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Sure, he's a great con man and scam artist. Yes, he's wealthy? But seriously, how could anyone believe him?
Remember that we would "get so sick of winning our heads would spin"? How about "insurance for everyone"? Oh wait, there's more: "the best healthcare at a fraction of the cost for everyone"!
"ISIS will be defeated very quickly!"
"Mexico will pay for the wall!"
And so many bought it, hook, line and sinker.
Yes, he had a populist message for the angry middle class, but he is anything but a populist. He is an elitist.
Your anger was misplaced. The anger should have been directed at the growing plutocracy: the wealthy and large corporations. The new oligarchy of wealth/power which is antithetical to caring about the middle class. The very people Trump represents. People of Michigan and Ohio voted for the party that didn't want to save GM. That's absurd.
Yep, you got him. The man who constantly said "believe me" and "trust me". When someone says "believe me" or "trust me" so much, you can bet on one thing: he is neither believable or worthy of your trust.

tRUMP
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eatrains

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Trump offered quick and easy fixes to those who were desperate for change yet unwilling to put in the effort. All those coal miners could've found new careers through education and hard work, but instead they're just waiting around for Trump to open new government-funded mines. I think they'll be waiting a while.
 

jkcerda

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duped? Hillary won the popular, so more were duped there :D
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Trump offered quick and easy fixes to those who were desperate for change yet unwilling to put in the effort. All those coal miners could've found new careers through education and hard work, but instead they're just waiting around for Trump to open new government-funded mines. I think they'll be waiting a while.
Hillary talked about social issues...............had to cheat to bead a decrepit socialist....
 

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Hillary talked about social issues...
That probably was the biggest factor. Not enough people agree with the left on social issues to win elections, but it's not a big deal either way for the majority of people so the person who focuses the most on the economy is the one they will vote for.
 

MadeTheSwitch

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Hillary was the opponent.
Not good enough of a reason. I mean for a woman hating misogynist it might be enough reason. But for others, no. Not enough of a reason. I think a lot of people wanted to take a risky bet. A bet that so far really isn't paying off yet, but it's still early in the game. However he and his staff are going to have to get a LOT more competent if anything is to be achieved over the next four years.

Assuming some Russian scandal doesn't take down the whole presidency of course.
 
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Not good enough of a reason. I mean for a woman hating misogynist it might be enough reason. But for others, no. Not enough of a reason. I think a lot of people wanted to take a risky bet. A bet that so far really isn't paying off yet, but it's still early in the game. However he and his staff are going to have to get a LOT more competent if anything is to be achieved over the next four years.

Assuming some Russian scandal doesn't take down the whole presidency of course.
Nope, glad she lost. But, but.. muh Russians.
 

jkcerda

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Not good enough of a reason. I mean for a woman hating misogynist it might be enough reason. But for others, no. Not enough of a reason. I think a lot of people wanted to take a risky bet. A bet that so far really isn't paying off yet, but it's still early in the game. However he and his staff are going to have to get a LOT more competent if anything is to be achieved over the next four years.

Assuming some Russian scandal doesn't take down the whole presidency of course.
you guys kept poking the deplorables ,hell you are doing it this minute so you earned Trump.
 

forcesteeler

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All those coal miners could've found new careers through education and hard work, but instead they're just waiting around for Trump to open new government-funded mines. I think they'll be waiting a while.
Yeah People want a shortcut to success. Instead of just getting off there ass and doing the work, they want to wait around for coal jobs when the world is moving away from dirty fossel fuel and moving to cleaner and cheaper energy.

Coal Jobs is almost like trying to bring back CD's and Records, Its over, MP3 has won.
 

vrDrew

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I think an interesting question is how soon Republicans start murmuring about a Primary Challenge to Trump in 2020.

Because at this stage, it seems increasingly unlikely that Trump is going to be able to salvage his Presidency. Which is sort of amazing barely two months into it. But I think the failure of the AHCA; and the looming disaster of tax reform - coupled with Trump's personal behavior and the as-yet unanswered questions about the role of Russia in the campaign - all but guarantee that Republicans are going to realize that Trump at the top of their ticket in 2020 could well sound the death-knell for Republicanism as we know it.

Trump was handed a country that was doing pretty well economically. That was essentially at peace. Respected in the world. And he seems to be doing everything he can to change that. His vaunted wall is not going to be built, and certainly not paid for by Mexico. He won't produce anything on healthcare besides increase misery and hardship. And I've literally never seen an Administration so ripe for scandal. Scandal so big that even Republicans won't be able to sweep it under the rug.
 

oneMadRssn

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tRUMP
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I prefer to think of him as lower-case p president. Or president with a permanent asterisk. He lost the popular vote, and thus is not a democratically elected president.

There are also some serious questions about possible treasonous activity from his campaign in colluding with Russia to illegally influence the election. So not only is he not democratically elected, we might still find out that he's completely illegitimate.
 

DrewDaHilp1

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Meh. Still not feeling duped. He wasn't my first choice. Once he was the nominee, he was the only choice I had. I openly disagree with him on healthcare. His efforts are bringing some jobs back, the other side complain or cheer that there aren't that many, I'll say one American employed is better than a hundred employed in a foreign country. Best of all Trump gets to pick at least one SCOTUS Judge, maybe more. I'll take any of the above over Hilary.

ETA: But muh Ruskies
 

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Yeah People want a shortcut to success. Instead of just getting off there ass and doing the work, they want to wait around for coal jobs when the world is moving away from dirty fossel fuel and moving to cleaner and cheaper energy.

Coal Jobs is almost like trying to bring back CD's and Records, Its over, MP3 has won.
Basically. even lining up the EPA with a pro industry chief not of much help here either. Solves, potenetially, moving some regulatory wheels by greasing them but too many incentives have been rolled out for other stuff. even solar which has a high upfront cost has had ample time to say you know...it has good returns in the long run. even factoring out some tax incentives given out for greener energy use.
 

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Personally I think it is too soon to make any kind of determination other than we have some jackass democrats and some republicans that cannot say anything other than "no".
I give him a year. Then I'll make a determination for myself.
Where have you been for the last 8 years? The Republicans were saying "no" to pretty much everything. The concept of "let's wait until we have some clout" only works if you eventually exercise the clout. We're now entering year 9 of Republicans picking up paychecks yet getting no work done.
 

Rhonindk

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Where have you been for the last 8 years? The Republicans were saying "no" to pretty much everything. The concept of "let's wait until we have some clout" only works if you eventually exercise the clout. We're now entering year 9 of Republicans picking up paychecks yet getting no work done.
and this changes my statement how?

For the last 8 years I have been an Independent living in a Democratic state watching a President I had hope in muff it with a highly ineffective Congressional appendage.
 

DrewDaHilp1

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But so were Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker, and others.

Republican voters preferred trump and his intemperance, narcissism and lying well before he faced off against HRC.

So why did Republicans fall for him there?
You'd have to ask his Primary voters. Out of the 16 that started most shouldn't have even been there. It should have been at most 5. Only ones I could say that I wanted to see in the Primary was Rand Paul, Ted Cruz. Being generous I'd throwing Fruit Ninja Kasich even though I despise him. I would have also tossed Trump in there too simply because an outsider.
 

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I prefer to think of him as lower-case p president. Or president with a permanent asterisk. He lost the popular vote, and thus is not a democratically elected president.

There are also some serious questions about possible treasonous activity from his campaign in colluding with Russia to illegally influence the election. So not only is he not democratically elected, we might still find out that he's completely illegitimate.
Well that's cause the United States isn't a democracy. But a lot of you, here, don't understand that...

Here, I did the work FOR you, cause that's usually how it goes around here. Get your bowl of cereal, champ.

 

PracticalMac

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Sure, he's a great con man and scam artist. Yes, he's wealthy? But seriously, how could anyone believe him?
Remember that we would "get so sick of winning our heads would spin"? How about "insurance for everyone"? Oh wait, there's more: "the best healthcare at a fraction of the cost for everyone"!
"ISIS will be defeated very quickly!"
"Mexico will pay for the wall!"
And so many bought it, hook, line and sinker.
Yes, he had a populist message for the angry middle class, but he is anything but a populist. He is an elitist.
Your anger was misplaced. The anger should have been directed at the growing plutocracy: the wealthy and large corporations. The new oligarchy of wealth/power which is antithetical to caring about the middle class. The very people Trump represents. People of Michigan and Ohio voted for the party that didn't want to save GM. That's absurd.
Yep, you got him. The man who constantly said "believe me" and "trust me". When someone says "believe me" or "trust me" so much, you can bet on one thing: he is neither believable or worthy of your trust.

tRUMP
(the t is silent because he's all ass)
tRump offered high paying jobs for everyone within weeks of taking office, and people believed him because of his "success".

Other candidates only offered what they knew they has some ability to do. IE: Reality.

People voted Dreams over Reality.

tRump could have actually managed to get some Dreams to happen if he was truly focused, listened (instead of yelled), and was non-partisan.
Oh, well....
 

Fancuku

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Duped? Never. Not even for a second do I think I was duped. The threat of another 4 years of democrats in the White House led by that criminal was too great.
We wanted Donnie to kick both sides in the ass and he is doing it so far. There will be some bumps but he will succeed.
 
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Well that's cause the United States isn't a democracy. But a lot of you, here, don't understand that...

Here, I did the work FOR you, cause that's usually how it goes around here. Get your bowl of cereal, champ.

Yes, it's astonishingly obvious to me that America isn't a democracy today. If it was, we would have had a President Gore, and thus no war in Iraq, no global warming, and Apple would be building the iPhone in robot factories on the moon using rare earth metals mined from asteroids. Yet here we are, and the guy who lost the election is president again.

But I did not say America is a democracy, or should be a democracy, did I? I said "democratically-elected" president. We don't have to be a democracy to have democratic elections. While America is not, and was never meant to be, a democracy; it has for at least 100 years had democratic elections for every position except president (since the 17th Amendment, to be exact). Every congress member is democratically elected. Every governor is democratically elected. Every mayor is democratically elected. Why is the president the only one that can be president but lose the election?
 

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Yes, it's astonishingly obvious to me that America isn't a democracy today. If it was, we would have had a President Gore, and thus no war in Iraq, no global warming, and Apple would be building the iPhone in robot factories on the moon using rare earth metals mined from asteroids. Yet here we are, and the guy who lost the election is president again.

But I did not say America is a democracy, or should be a democracy, did I? I said "democratically-elected" president. We don't have to be a democracy to have democratic elections. While America is not, and was never meant to be, a democracy; it has for at least 100 years had democratic elections for every position except president (since the 17th Amendment, to be exact). Every congress member is democratically elected. Every governor is democratically elected. Every mayor is democratically elected. Why is the president the only one that can be president but lose the election?
Because states matter. ALL of them otherwise the morons would just concentrate on the major ones
 

vrDrew

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I think also that a big part of the problem is that many of the people who voted for Trump, simply don't understand how the Presidency works. (I don't think that Donald Trump does either, but that's a whole other story.)

I genuinely think that when people hear Trump talking about jobs and health care and immigrants, that the President of the United States has the power, on his own, to make major changes in those areas.

He doesn't. He has to work with Congress. He has to deal with a budget. He has to deal with the Constitution, and existing Law.

Trump has been in office over two months. Can anyone name a single proposal or initiative that Trump has issued regarding jobs? Anything? No. Because the reality is that the President can't actually do much about job growth. He can effect - to a small degree - how the overall economy does. But the Federal Reserve has far more influence (at least in the short run). Energy price shocks and stock market corrections have more influence than the President.

I'll know when the last scales drop from the eyes of millions of Trump voters: When Paul Ryan unveils his tax reform plan that slaps a steep 20% Border Adjustment Tax on everything we import. Suddenly a lot of the Trump bozos are going to understand how much extra they'll be paying for pretty much everything.