Trump is Considering Declaring ANTIFA an Organization of Terror

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  1. samcraig, Jul 27, 2019
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    Trump is a Twunt.

    By the way anyone who can't see the similarities to the 'thirties is purposely not looking.
     
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    Only the leader of a ****-hole country would declare anti-fascism to be evil.
     
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    I don't think the ideology of a group like ANTIFA makes them terrorists, but their actions and methods certainly could.
     
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    So could the Nantucket bitching and stiching knitting circle.
     
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    They aren’t an “organization”. I don’t agree with their tactics that aren’t traditional protests (chants, signs, marches, etc). But this is a waste of time and also just more bait for his base.
     
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    So wouldn't it be more appropriate to declare it a Disorganization of Terror?


    (Why does that moniker remind me of KAOS from Get Smart?)
     
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    I'll put this here in case someone is interested.Anti-fa (anteeeeee-fa in American) like black bloc is a tactic not organisations. There are some people (mainly manarchists and almost all American) who's actions I would disagree with but the anti-fa people who are outside the 5% of the population who are Americans are a seriously wide bunch of people who will fight fascism many are part of groups who have suffered greatly at the hands of fascists for instance communists,socialists, jews, slavs,roma,the mentally ill,gay people,and so on (Oxford comma). No Paseran,Adelante is the cry from the hillsides.
    If you you think we are going to lie down and accept fascism think again.
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    Posiblby because you've been brainwashed by the propaganda of Hollywood/Washington and have swallowed the idea the anarchism equates to disorganistion.
    Quick question? What do you think the circle around the A in the anarchist symbol means? that's right organisation.
     
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    Aside from the symbolism - will there be any real enforcement of such an order? It's not like these guys identify themselves and they choose to operate in cities where law enforcement is already either on their side or allows them to perform their activities with minimal push back. So, in reality, an unenforceable order is as good as no order..
     
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    Exactly.

    This is more, signaling to a base that's been pretty responsive to 45's actions towards the Squad, and now Elijah Cummings.

    To stress that fact, I leave this bit here again...


    Any followup or words from 45 after this was clearly laid out? o_O

    No.
     
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    But they’re not anti fascist. They’re actually more of an embarrassment.
     
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    Who says they aren't anti fascist?
     
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    I do, along with many Americans. Being an anti fascist doesn’t give anyone the right to abuse and injure innocent people. Block freedom of speech to American citizens that aren’t even alt right. Cause terror and havoc in the street that leads to bystanders vehicles being vandalized and stores being destroyed. That in no way is being anti fascist. Unless you have a different opinion than myself? If you do, that’s fine. The modern day Antifa **** is equivalent to white supremacy, just with a different agenda.
     
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    So you & this "many Americans" outweighs what the very groups themselves say they are and what is in their name?

    Interesting.
     
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    VI likes to label people. In the same manner I am now. Illustrating a point.
     
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    Can you give me an example of Antifa sponsoring any kind of action remotely associated with terrorism? Because I only see their spokesman distancing themselves from that. And please, do not share posts from fake Antifa accounts created by right-wing propagandists.

    For people on the right to understand, let me give you a parallel example. Terrorist attacks have been carried out in the name of Trump. Do you think Trump is a terrorist because of that?
     
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    For something that’s not an organization... they sure do organize well to terrorize innocent people.

    Strange coincidence
     
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    how can something be an organization of terror if they're not even an organization?
     
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    I see no problem naming a group of people that denies any formal leadership an “organization”. The fact is people congregate under one brand identity.

    Based on recent events in the US, I don’t have a problem with the consideration of them being called a terrorist organization (the same goes for white supremacist groups who commit violence and/or destruction and/or any intimidation tactics that don’t fall under free speech).

    Antifa members needs to a large movement denounce the bad actors and separate themselves from them. Or put in a leadership structure to do so. Or create an offshoot committed to peaceful protest. It’s shocking to me some politicians had trouble publicly denouncing the firebombing of the ICE facility even though it was one mans actions.

    If I was part of an political organization or group of people that routinely had members committing crimes I would certainly separate myself from it.
     
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    If “Antifa” is labeled a "terrorist organization", the participants will simply change their name, symbology and appearance. Perhaps to the extent that it will become impossible to call them terrorists without extending the category so far that it covers alt-White as well.
     
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    Actually the simplest solution for Antifa would be to rebrand themselves as a white supremacist group that dislikes competing white supremacist groups. Since this administratioN has a hard time recognizing white supremacist groups as terrorists, despite their own documentation shared by their own FBI Director, just be a white supremacist & you’re safe.

    Easy peasy!
     
  22. LordVic macrumors 603

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    Why label them as terrorists though? I thought there were "very fine people on boths sides"
     
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    Trump shouldn't label them as a Terrorist Organisation, they are far more useful as target practice. Rubber ammunition, of course.
     
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    Wait, let me get this straight. There is a spokesman for an non organization, that is an organization, but not an organization that has a spokesman?...... I don’t need to read into fake accounts. I can watch Antifa on YouTube and judge them for myself. Unless that’s all staged and I’m getting goofed by then white folks on the inter web.
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    “Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts. The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted.

    “In California, as across all of our great nation, we have deep reverence for the Constitutional right to peaceful dissent and free speech. Non-violence is fundamental to that right. Let us use this sad event to reaffirm that we must never fight hate with hate, and to remember the values of peace, openness and justice that represent the best of America.”

    Has a violence ended since Pelosi spoke out against Antifa? Or did is get worse?
     
  25. LordVic macrumors 603

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    Probably a little bit of both :p

    Antifa really isn't an organized group. it seems like its more just a bunch of angry brats who looking for an opportunity to show up and curb stomp protestors they don't agree with. They do tend to get overlooked cause more often than not, they show up against Neo-Nazi's, KKK and other people we generally do not wish to have to hear from.

    while at the same time, For some reason, that enough has made republicans jump on them as if they're some form of evil underground army trying to silence them. When they're just basically whiny counter-protesters.

    in the end though, Regardless of what "group" someone is part of or attributed to. Violence should never be the answer in protest.
     

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