Trump is pushing Vietnam to accept deportees who have lived in the US for over 20 years

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  1. LovingTeddy macrumors 68000

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    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vox.../12/18138323/trump-vietnamese-deport-refugees

    This is seriously dick move by United States of America. Lots of Vietnamese refugees fled from their home during Vietnamese war. Many of them were against communist regime, fight alone side United States. United States started the Vietnam war and made mess for that country. United States want them out now? How can you actually deport these refugees who are already rooted at United States? Many of them are already American. I cannot believe this even happens at United States. What happen to the land of immigrant?
     
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    Did you read your own link?
     
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    your dismay is shared by most, including me.

    but this policy is not a new policy. during previous years for example, Cambodian people who came to the USA even when they were very young have been deported to Cambodia, a country they don't even remember or associate with.

    your Vietnam example is particularly problematic since some of the "Vietnamese" people the US is intending to send to Vietnam actually are known as Highlanders who supported the US during the Vietnam war and are in fact political refugees. these people are not technically Vietnamese even.

    but, what else needs to be said is that during previous years (need to make a distinction between pre-Trump era and Trump era) is that in the pre-Trump era these people who were on lists to be "repatriated" have committed very serious offenses such as drug dealing or murder.
    that is true.
    but why are these people not simply incarcerated within the USA? why send them "back" to countries that they don't even know (since mostly these people themselves are average age under 30).
    it seems to be simply a budget decision to not incur the expense of incarcerating them within the USA.

    therefore i think this policy runs counter to the USAmerican concept of immigrants being welcome.

    (as is usual for Trump era however, the level of offense that is being used to "repatriate" people is lowered to even minor law infractions now)

    regarding "legal immigrants" etc: these groups were granted special residence to live in the USA.
    unfortunately, this quasi-immigrant status is now being used against them and not able to afford them protections.
     
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    In a world where ICE is detaining legal citizens “accidentally” why am I suppose to have faith in the word of this administration or department?
     
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    For the record you should never trust the government no matter who is at the top
     
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    What's the fundamental difference between

    "The girl died of thirst because Mr Trump wanted to send a message"

    and

    "The girl died of thirst because adequate hydration will kill our profit margin"?
     
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    Ask Obama. The insurance COs wrote Obamacare for him
     
  9. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    My thing is, if any of them that committed a crime and was convicted. If they already served their sentence, they should be left alone.

    Now the OP link does state "applies to Vietnamese immigrants who have already been ordered deported — in most cases, legal immigrant noncitizens who committed serious crimes".

    Basically I feel, those who murdered or committed a sex crime .....GET THE HELL OUT!!!!



    But the OP link also states "or are currently unauthorized. (In practice, given patterns of Vietnamese immigration and the structure of immigration law, any unauthorized immigrant who’s been here since 1995 is probably unauthorized because they committed a crime that made them ineligible for legal status.)"

    So they are automatically assuming, if you read between the lines, cause records were handled differently back then, and harder to search. Highly doubt they are going to do a record search looking in every county of every state for each of them.
     
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    Ok - so reading the link and your pull quote by your own admission is irrelevant.
     
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    They had 20 years to become legal .... bye Felicia
     
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    They're not LPR and not citizens so if they commit a crime that's a felony then it is against the restrictions on their visa. That makes them subject to deportation. I'm not entirely sure what the issue is here? Perhaps they shouldn't be felons?
     
  13. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    The issue is they we keep being told that only “criminals” will be deported, meanwhile the US keeps “accidentally” deporting activists, people who have no grounds to be deported, and in several cases actual US citizens.

    But let’s continue the practice of buying what these people say and turning away from their actions and tactics....
     

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