Trump is the new puppet President in America

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    Yeah it did not take long for him to completely flip.
     
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    I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. You are linking to one newspaper writer's opinion but making it sound like it's an order coming down from above. I'm sure one could find alternative references, e.g. from Al Jazeera, that say the opposite thing. So should someone else start another "MUST..." thread based on that?
     
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    Trump is a puppet because some schmuck writes an opinion piece?
     
  5. samcraig macrumors P6

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    No - Trump is a schmuck because some puppet writes an opinion piece ;)
     
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    So who is the puppet master?
     
  7. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Oh - sorry - I really just wanted to call Trump a schmuck ;)
     
  8. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    AIPAC,Netanyahu and those he picked around his inner circle with business interests from Jared Kushner to his previous lawyer which is now the Israeli envoy David Friedman
     
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    Thanks for that.
     
  10. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    Link doesn't work for me. Can someone post another one or copy and paste the article?
     
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    Opinion
    Because President Trump is a man in a hurry, here’s how he can save time today when he welcomes Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to the White House.
    After the briefest of pleasantries, Trump can say, “Mr. Abbas, your people should be preparing to celebrate the 17th anniversary of the creation of their own state. But Yasser Arafat foolishly refused to recognize Israel’s right to exist at Camp David in 2000, so there was no deal, and history marched on without a Palestinian state.
    “That was a mistake you can rectify right here, right now,” Trump continues. “I ask you, President Abbas, are you ready to recognize Israel as the Jewish homeland, renounce violence against it and negotiate peaceful, secure borders for two states?”
    It is a yes-or-no question. If Abbas won’t say yes, the answer is no — and there is nothing more to discuss. Trump can spend his windfall of free time on issues more likely to bring results.
    It has been said that hope is a good breakfast but a poor supper, and it is very late in the day to hope that Abbas will be something he has never been. Now 82, in the 12th year of the four-year term he was elected to in 2005, Abbas has not been honest about his endgame.
    Sure, he wants a Palestinian state — as long as it gets handed to him by the United Nations or Washington. If getting one means recognizing Israel and making fundamental concessions, he’ll pass.
    He’ll pass in part for the same reason Arafat could never get to yes: Signing his name to a deal that accepts Israel’s right to exist could be signing his own death warrant. Jew hatred is a powerful force in Palestinian politics and culture, and it is enforced ruthlessly by the gun.
    In that sense, little has changed since Arafat walked away from the offer made by Israel and brokered by Bill Clinton 17 years ago. The only difference is that time and developments, including some Israeli settlements, have weakened the Palestinian negotiating position.
    The rise of Islamic State, Hamas’ control of the Gaza Strip, Hezbollah’s growing strength in Lebanon and the endless Syrian civil war have combined to surround Israel with more powerful enemies bent on its destruction. Having voluntarily ceded Gaza and parts of southern Lebanon, only to get attacked on both borders, Israel will not make the same mistake a third time in the West Bank.
    Hopefully, Trump also understands that Barack Obama actually hardened the Palestinian-Israeli divide. Obama took office with the misguided idea that putting daylight between the US and Israel would make a deal more likely and bring peace to the whole region.
    Fueled by the left’s catechism that Israel is the problem, Obama’s theory was that the Palestinians would trust him enough to make concessions, and that Israel would be frightened into making a deal knowing the terms would only get worse. He also thought a Palestinian-Israeli deal would magically resolve other conflicts.
    Obama was wrong on all counts. Spectacularly so.
    Even worse, his Iran deal gave the mad mullahs $150 billion and the green light to fund armed aggression throughout the Mideast. Iran’s continuing threats to wipe Israel off the map captures the insanity of Obama’s kumbaya fantasies.
    Israel’s reaction to all the mayhem is both sensible and predictable: It will make no deal that will bring more lethal forms of terrorism into the West Bank.
    Indeed, during the last war with Hamas in Gaza amid the rise of Islamic State, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that he could not foresee Israel withdrawing its security forces from the West Bank, lest it become a larger Gaza, with terror tunnels honeycombing most of Israel.
    The changing dynamics have made Abbas something of a bit player and reduced his leverage. Hamas smells its rival’s weakness, which is why it is trying to soften its image without giving up its founding vow to eliminate Israel.
    Although those harsh realities should convince Trump of the limits of American involvement, there is one thing he can and should do: hold Abbas accountable for attacks against Israelis and public incitement of terrorism.
    The Palestinian government, which counts on foreign aid for virtually all of its money, pays salaries to prisoners convicted of murder and other crimes and makes payments to the families of Arab “martyrs” who died in terror attacks.
    Trump can tell Abbas that America’s contribution, which the Times of Israel says amounted to $712 million last year, will be reduced every time there is a stabbing, a vehicle attack or a shooting by a Palestinian. Ditto for rewarding terrorists’ families and celebrating attackers by naming public buildings and plazas after them — all of it must stop immediately.
    If nothing else, Abbas would be shocked into realizing he’s no longer dealing with Obama or George W. Bush. That alone would be worth the few minutes it would take Trump to deliver the message that, this time, America really does have Israel’s back.
    Gilly’s bow-out a party pooper
    Headline: “Kirsten Gillibrand insists she’s not running for president in 2020.”
    What a loss for Democrats. Having been a second-rate senator and wrong on every major issue, she would make all other candidates look good by comparison.
    Eco chamber serves Times right
    It turns out that “snowflakes” aren’t limited to coddling college campuses. New York Times readers and some reporters there fit the definition, too.
    The meltdown over the paper’s hiring of conservative columnist Bret Stephens illustrates the ideological monster the Times has created. Its relentless advocacy for extreme liberalism has conditioned readers and staff to expect — and accept — no dissent.
    Stephens is being attacked viciously, and a Change.org petition calling him a “climate denier” and urging his dismissal has nearly 30,000 signatures. Numerous readers say they have canceled their subscriptions, and many comments on his first column were personal and hate-filled.
    One reader signing as Voiceofamerica wrote, “Anyone who has ever attempted to have a reasonable discussion with a Republican — on any topic — knows that this is impossible. They aren’t people.”
    On a MoveOn.org petition, a signer added of Stephens, “Kill him first, then fire him.”
    Swimming against a filthy tide of its own making, the paper deserves some credit for hiring Stephens, who left The Wall Street Journal. I say some because, while he is reliably conservative on most foreign-policy issues, Stephens offers one saving grace for the Times — a volcanic revulsion of any and all things Trump.
    With hating the president a job requirement, the Gray Lady’s commitment to diversity clearly has its limits.
    An a-Paul-ing swamp thing
    Reader Michael Biasello agrees that Speaker Paul Ryan has been a flop. He writes, “Ryan is playing both sides against the middle and personifies the swamp President Trump spoke of. Two of Trump’s mistakes during the first 100 days have been the relationship with Ryan and the retention of FBI boss Jim Comey.”
     

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    Michael Goodwin wrote that opinion piece at the New York Post
     
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    And?
     
  15. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    MUST...
     
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    Oh, that happened years ago.
     
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    Not sure if he flipped years ago. I do reckon though that years ago he learned quickly for business interests whom he has to befriend for his businesses and transactions to flow smoothly. Would be conflict of personal interest gains to piss off the wrong people. Notice how he picked his cabinet members when he got elected this year. Just imagine the outrage had Obama picked his friends in high government positions like Trump did this year.
     
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    Probably should substitute "selfishly" for "foolishly". Any Palestinian leader agreeing a compromise faces likely assassination, by his own hardliners.
     
  19. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    For not agreeing and compromising with UN resolutions Iraq Libya were invaded and their leaders were executed. Iran is also criticized on a daily basis by Israel and America. Sanctions are also in place for what America and Israel believe to be non-compliance but when the tables are turned around for Israel to also be criticized for Non-compliance then the old biased and anti-Semitism card is pulled out on each occasion and they are threatened to be expelled from the Palestinian city that they illegally occupy which is Jerusalem.

    Puppet Trump picked biased people to manage a peace deal which belong to Zionist extremist right wing parties and are supporters of these parties. These people also have conflicts of interests due to business interests and due to family member association.
    Last but not least it is rather odd when biased extremist Zionists which make up right wing government parties in Israel do not recognize the Palestinian States right to exist yet get upset after when they refuse to recognize their own state as an illegally occupying power of a sovereign Palestinian State.

    It is a great thing that UN members consist of more then 1 opinion so that the whole world knows the truth and knows what is actually biased and non-biased.

    Remember how the person at the UN lost their position for having ties to Palestine recently while the rather odd part was how Trump and the members of his party that he picked all ties to Israel and personal financial interests as well. Now had they lost their positions as well it would be anti-Semitism. Not sure how these double standards get passed these days. So those critical of Israel are forced to quit but those critical of Palestine and other Arab countries get top placement jobs in America. Would that be due to being biased or persona conflicts of interests that lead puppets to making such decisions..?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fr...ure-pull-israel-apartheid-report-palestinians



    Israeli anger over Unesco ruling on Jerusalem calling state an ‘occupying power’ - The Independent
    https://apple.news/AS9g5IysHTOi5AnnMy5DVPA
     
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    You're preaching to the choir - I quite agree. But most people in the west have been brainwashed since birth. Israel good, Arab bad, America good, Russia bad etc etc. Some of us get over it and are able to read history and current affairs textually, without emotion.
    Having said that, I have no clue as to a solution.
     
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    Now those that run and influence Congress dictate to Trump

    Congress to Trump Admin: Recognize Jerusalem as Being Part of Israel - Washington Free Beacon
    https://apple.news/Aq2uPqSUASNC5gZqx4jrd8w
     
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    there are enough potential solutions......there are just too many people (from all parties and factions) who aren't interested in a solution because it would damage their own self-interest and personal agendas
     
  23. stylinexpat thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    This depends on which Rabbi one asks I suppose.

     
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    I have personally witnessed an educated Arab man, in the aftermath of an atrocity in Gaza, declare that he would raise his children to hate all Israelis.
    There are solutions, none will work without tolerance.
     
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    for a minute I thought you were talking about American politics :D
     

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