Trump May Redefine Poverty, Cutting Americans From Welfare Rolls

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Well this doesn't seem like a good idea...

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-05-06/trump-poverty-line-inflation

    The Trump administration may alter the way it determines the national poverty threshold, putting Americans living on the margins at risk of losing access to welfare programs.
    The possible move would involve changing how inflation is calculated in the “official poverty measure,” the White House Office of Management and Budget said in a regulatory filing on Monday. The formula has been used for decades to determine whether people qualify for certain federal programs and benefits.
     
  2. theapplehead macrumors 6502

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    If Americans lose welfare benefits, then they will be forced to get jobs to provide for themselves. These jobs will, in the long run, be better for them since they will make more money than they ever could’ve had with welfare. This will in turn lower taxes for Americans providing more money to reinvest into the private sector. In short, this is great for the US economy.
     
  3. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Extremely short sighted and ignoring the obvious.
     
  4. Huntn macrumors P6

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    Just another reason to put a stake in the heart of The Trump Administration (a figurative statement).
     
  5. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    Do jobs spring out of nowhere just because people are looking for work?
     
  6. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Not to mention many people have jobs. But they qualify for assistance because those jobs don't put them above the poverty line.
     
  7. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Just go out and find more jobs until you can support yourself....

    Jeez.....

    /s
     
  8. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    Plenty of us soldier families are on food stamps.
     
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    You assume that everyone on those benefits is able-bodied to get those jobs.

    A very piss poor assumption to have.

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...military-members-qualify-food-stamps.html/amp
     
  11. bradl macrumors 68040

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    What? You mean food stamps and taxed in the 38% tax bracket!?

    Oh well.. Doesn't bother me. Time to go give our quarterly earnings call and tell our shareholders that the tax break Trump gave us made this our best quarter ever so they can buy more shares and we rake in the profits and barely let any trickle down to the jobs we "said" we created! :rolleyes:

    - Joe Corporate CEO

    /s

    BL.
     
  12. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    Well this is who many think off when they talk about welfare leeches


    Issue happens to be far more complicated
     
  13. bradl macrumors 68040

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    And then there are those who already had given all, like our aforementioned Gold Star Families.

    https://www.omaha.com/news/plus/omahans-among-gold-star-military-families-hit-hard-by-changes/article_ffa8296e-d2de-5f7b-b731-6ce5ac70c07a.html

     
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    If people are working and trying to better themselves then by all means offer governments assistance... Those who refuse to work and sponge off the tax payers? Give them a tent and point them in the direction of the closest homeless camp..
     
  16. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Again, you assume those that need that assistance are able-bodied to work.

    That is a very poor assumption.

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  17. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    Er. Read his post again. He is correct. People like the guy on video should NOT be on assistance
     
  18. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    I agree get rid of social security and Medicare too. **** old people and the disabled let them work for it /s
     
  19. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    Of course this makes perfect sense in an election year. #moron
     
  20. raqball, May 7, 2019
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    Sure we can add them as well to the those who are in need of assistance list. Make it a case by case basis.. Some people are born with illnesses or disabilities that might prevent them from working. As long as it's legit, add them to the recipient list...

    Since many would try to game the system, there needs to be safeguards in place...
     
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    Chained-CPI is the correct way to calculate CPI. It’s a more accurate reflection of what people are actually paying for the conceptual “basket of goods” that CPI is based on.

    However, this kinda seems like nitpicking to me. I get that the cost savings would accrue over time, but SNAP is 2% of of the federal budget. This change maybe makes it 1.8% of the federal budget...ten years from now....maybe.

    Also, Trump isn’t “getting people back to work” like he claims. The people who lose these benefits are people on the fringe who are already working but simply aren’t earning enough yet. They’re the last people Trump needs to be pulling the rug out from under. And, oh yeah, a ton of them voted for him in 2016.
     
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    Billions in foreign aid to “allies” while we stick it to our own people. Trump is tackling the wrong assistance ...
     
  23. theapplehead, May 7, 2019
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    Nope, but there are more jobs available than ever with Trump as president. The problem is that Democrats have created this system of welfare to allow people to receive just enough money to keep them alive yet keep them from thriving.
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    Fair enough. I’m not saying to completely discontinue the system of welfare. Welfare benefits should be strictly limited to those who are needing of them because of health issues and other similar concerns.
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    As @raqball said it should be a case by case basis.

    Military families should receive the greatest amount of welfare benefits, especially if veterans have acquired some type of injury while serving.
     
  24. bradl macrumors 68040

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    The problem you have here is that you are taking everything from a capitalist society where all are inclusive (Allow All/Deny From: that is how our economic and legal system are created to be) to totalitarian, where we all have to work to prove that worth, and Deny All then Allow From.

    So unless you are willing to change the entire socioeconomic system we have, that isn't going to happen. If you want that, consider moving to the Island of Sodor; I'm sure Sir Topham Hatt will have more than enough work for you to prove that you are a Really Useful Engine.

    BL.
     
  25. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    I disagree with broad statements like this one. While it’s undeniable that there are wastes, the problem of poverty (and welfare) is much more complex.
     

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