Trump New Budget Will End Food Stamps Benefits with Canned Goods Instead

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  1. forcesteeler macrumors 6502

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    No More EBT Card or Cash Benefits. This will be replaced with Canned Goods.

    Lets see how this will play out with his base since West Virgina and Mississippi are some of the highest food stamp recipients in the country

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-budget-partly-replace-201204367.html

    WASHINGTON ― Facing a trillion-dollar deficit because of his just-passed tax cuts, President Donald Trump has an idea for how to get some of that money back: making poor people eat beans and rice.

    “Under the proposal,” Monday’s budget document says, “households receiving $90 or more per month in SNAP benefits will receive a portion of their benefits in the form of a USDA Foods package, which would include items such as shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish.”

    Republicans, and even some Democrats, have long complained that poor people allegedly use their food stamps for foods that are unhealthy or too expensive, such as steak, lobster or soda. (The truth is that according to the best available data, food stamp recipients eat basically the same food as everyone else.)
     
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    Doesn't seem like that list is all canned food, if someone wants to use their food money for illicit activities this probably wouldn't stop them, although steaks would probably be easier to flip.

    I don't know why someone on EBT would expect to be able to eat the same luxury items (lobster, steak) as someone working full time.

    Not exactly bread and water, especially since it's paid for by people actually working all week.
     
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    As long as the the supply is in adequate quantity and good enough quality, then I don't see much of an issue.

    But one huge problem might be health reasons. Many people have high blood pressure, diabetes, allergies, and etc. So they would need to have a wide assortment of canned goods to them to choose from, or else this plan will fall apart faster than it's implemented.

    And if they give an exception to those with health issues, people will exploit that and say they have health issues as well just to keep the full EBT balance.
     
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    It's good to see that the Republicans are getting onboard with socialist ideas and now recognize that big government can make better choices about what people eat than consumers.

    In all seriousness I think this will never get enacted, and as a result it will play well with Trump's base as they won't realize that this is a program they use, and they will be happy to see Trump trying to take away welfare from people they see as lazy.

    Also if this were to be implemented it would be a logistical nightmare to get these out to people especially in rural areas.
     
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    Five bucks says the list of food happens to connect with the donations of a few wealthy food company owners.

    And, once again, it's conservatives trying to punish people for being poor rather than giving them the flexibility to buy the best food for themselves or their families.

    I thought we were past the days of government cheese and c-rations. Good to know that conservatives are digging through moldy oldies.
     
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    Also, a lot of the listed items are usually loaded with salt and sugar, so not very healthy.
     
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    An end to EBT abuse? Bummer. Maybe people will eat less at McDonalds.
     
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    That was my concern when I read this elsewhere. I'm almost certain that those food packages will be supplied by someone who scores a nice contract, that is a 45 donor.

    Another case of finding yet another way to privatize something. When it's inevitably realized to be subpar or some other shortcoming, accountability will be passed on.
     
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    You realize there are people working full time who use food stamps?
     
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    What's the point of EBT? It the program a health food program? A program to help families muddle through a tough time by buying food they need and want? Or, it is a punishment?

    One thing to keep in mind is that each state sets the program's ability to be used at fast-food restaurants, so why does the Trump administration want to force states to comply with a USDA program?

    Isn't that similar to the program to improve school lunches that conservatives complained vociferously about? You think kids are going to enjoy all that government cheese?

    Here's the thing: I don't care if a family spends their EBT cards at Pizza Hut. They're trying to muddle through and maybe a cheese pizza and a coke might give a little joy. I'd rather people eat kale, fresh salads, and lean meats, but I'm also not interested in the government browbeating people into getting a box of crap from the lowest bidder. Especially since that food will likely come from the same bunch of corporate clowns that can't feed prisoners without letting maggots and rats creep into the food supply.
     
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    This isn't privatizing anything, it is moving from a market driven approach where recipients can choose where to spend their benefits to a top down approach where the government tells you what you are getting.
     
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    Of all the people needing healthy food, it’s the poor.
     
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    Who is supplying the USDA packages?
     
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    If you’re dependent on the government for food, then so be it. Bad food leads to bad health which leads to increased medical costs, also paid for by the government. It’s a cycle that has to end.
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    Who’s providing a Big Mac?
     
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    So, how will this move help? It's likely going to push people toward shelf-stable or canned foods, which often have lower nutrition values than fresh food.

    Eliminating EBTs, not only means people can't go to McDonalds, it also means it can't be used at farmer's markets, co-ops, and other food sources that some people have tried to establish to eliminate food deserts. Forcing people to take a USDA package will only accelerate long-term endemic problems in the food supply.

    Now, if the Trump administration cared about health, they'd make EBTs go twice as far if healthy food is purchased. Instead, we get the usual stick and government cheese.
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    McDonalds.


    Who's providing the USDA package? We don't know and I doubt that food will actually be healthy. Instead, we're going to get foods from a highly-political decision at USDA that will benefit national-level donors—Tyson and General Mills—over smaller food suppliers, distorting the market and harming local efforts to make EBTs work at farmer's markets, co-ops, etc.
     
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    you can get healthier foods than this under the current program.
     
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    I’ve got no problem with limiting EBT to Whole Foods or Sprouts.
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    Staples seem pretty healthy to me. It says canned fruit and vegetables. Not canned vegetables. Probably nonsense anyway as the writer seems a bit bent on Trump.

    Sounds to me like they are dumping junk food and luxury items currently covered:

    https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items

    Stuff healthy conscious Obama made okay in 2008.
     
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    :rolleyes: The article posted on the subject is very objective and lacks any spin.
     
  19. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    What the memo actually says:

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-budget-changes-snap-food-stamps-2018-2



    "Under the proposal, households receiving $90 or more per month in SNAP benefits will receive a portion of their benefits in the form of a USDA Foods package, which would include items such as shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish," the budget reads.

    Sounds like Blue Apron for low income families. Also sounds like they can still eat junk food.
     
  20. TonyC28 macrumors 65816

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    But isn't it so much more inflammatory to say "Trump is going to force poor people to eat beans and rice"?
    The article, if you can call it that, contradicts itself by the fourth paragraph. It's kind of hard to take it seriously after that.
     
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    Which is what we are referring to. It doesn't make it clear if it is a literal package assembled & doled out thru whatever means. Or if it continues with the idea of a list of approved items that can be purchased in that 'package'. With this administration it isn't to far fetched to believe they may contract someone or a service to supply that package and feel that's that.

    Such 'packages' have worked out great for FEMA & Puerto Rico.
     
  22. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a

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    Amazon.
     
  23. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

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    So, in other words, food stamp recipients will receive...food. This is an outrage!
     
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    Hardly, 45 hates Bezos & Amazon.

    Think friend of a friend, who has a one person company, who gets a several million dollar contract they can't deliver on.
     
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    Yep. Trump will blame Obama, just like he and the rest of his cronies do for everything that is actually their fault.
     

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