Trump On Obama In 2009: “I Think He’s Doing A Really Good Job…He’s Totally A Champion”

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    dude, he is worse than republicans in some aspects, not even Bush signed indefinite detention into trial, hell GW NEEDED the approval of congress to go into war while Obama got away with Libya & Syria on his own.
     
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    Sorry, you and I will never see eye to eye on this. I think he has been a great president. I think history will also bear this out.
     
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    I bet if Bush had already had the loosely worded authorizations to use force that Obama had left over from the Bush administration he wouldn't have bothered with going through congress for another one.
     
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    I guess this confirms Trump is not a racist.;)
     
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    It's politics. Trump will lambast Obama, the way Trump is ragging on his fellow Republicans. Nobody is safe. Hey, look at The Bern calling out Hillary as unacceptably prepared to be president.
     
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    Trump is a lifelong long liberal. Not surprised at all.

    True he says one or two things to appeal to a certain type of mouth breather in the south, but I know he would govern more like a center left politician.
     
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    Better than expected? Haha, what?

    Why is [transgendered] Chelsea Manning still rotting away imprisoned for 35 years? Why the **** is Edward Snowden still trapped in Russia? Why has Obama maliciously and vindictively targeted, charged and/or prosecuted more government whistleblowers than all previous presidents in U.S. history COMBINED x2? Why is Obama also the first president in U.S. history to prosecute a BLACK whistleblower (Jeffrey Sterling)? Why is Obama still illegally spying on over 100,000,000 Americans daily (far worse spying crimes than what Bush did)? Why is Obama protecting 9/11 co-conspirators (treason)? Why has Obama then conspired WITH those very same [Saudi] 9/11 co-conspirators to attempt overthrow of the Syrian government that has not attacked America (treason)? Why is Obama blocking BLACK 9/11 families and survivors from justice, after they have publicly pleaded with Obama to help them but instead Obama has sided with al-Qaeda that helped to murder their loved ones? Why hasn’t Obama declassified the 28 pages like he promised leading 9/11 families to their faces he would? Why has Obama bombed more countries than Bush? Why has the Obama regime dropped more bombs than the Bush regime? Why has Obama murdered more civilians with drones, than Osama had murdered civilians with planes? Why did Obama sign into law the largest military spending bill in history, that included provision on secret indefinite detention of Americans with no charge or trial, that according to Sen. Carl Levin: Obama demanded be included or he wouldn’t sign it? Why is Obama the least transparent POTUS in history, breaking every Most Transparent Administration Ever™ promise and doing everything possible to undermine government transparency? Why is Obama the most hostile POTUS to the press in history, intimidating American journalists and their sources, and forcing journalists under threat of imprisonment to name their sources in federal court? Why has Obama protected Bush admin and CIA officials for torture war crimes? Why has Obama protected them for Iraq war crimes? OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST AND FAKEST JOKE IN U.S. POLITICS EVER.
     
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    You do know that PRISM started with Bush, right?



    Source for this, please.

    Source for htis as well.

    Source for this as well.



    Source for this as well.

    Source for this.




    Source for this.

    you do realize that the POTUS can't declassify pages of classified text, correct? He can order it to happen, but the declassification has to come from various other departments.


    Why has the Obama regime dropped more bombs than the Bush regime?

    Source for this. And please show that those civilians killed by drones totaled more than 2996 (the total of civilians who died in 9/11 from those planes).




    This drivel again. This has already been answered a number of times in this forum. You have our leave to search this forum for the answer.



    Source for this.

    Source for this.


    Lots of words here with unverified statements. You have some homework to do. Get back to us with those sources, otherwise, well.. you know.

    BL.
     
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    Trump is a lifelong independent who has leaned republican or democrat and changed party affiliations to match. He isn't a conservative and he definitely isn't a social conservative.

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...ays-trump-was-democrat-longer-republican-las/

    Hillary is a lifelong promiser. Whatever the poll results yield, she will say she has always felt the same way. She will promise so many things and when she cannot deliver she will blame an external force. Some force that is so strong it can only stop her from fulfilling her promises but not stop her from getting power and wealth.

    The only person who has any longevity in picking a "side" has been Bernie and Kasich. Cruz doesn't have the same length of political exposure but he seems to be set in stone on his ideals.
     
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    Obama has continued and expanded PRISM worse than what Bush did. Plus, Edward Snowden has thus far exposed far, far more illegal spying crimes committed by Obama than simply PRISM. As for PRISM itself, here is one of the slides released in 2013 that shows the increase from January 2009 when Obama was inaugurated to the last known tech company forced to participate, which happens to be APPLE:

    NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

    Prism_slide_5.jpg

    Yeah, Obama has forced APPLE.



    8 Whistleblowers Charged With Violating the Espionage Act Under Obama

    http://mic.com/articles/50459/8-whistleblowers-charged-with-violating-the-espionage-act-under-obama

    Prior to Obama, it was 3 in total. Obama has maliciously and vindictively targeted, charged and/or prosecuted more government whistleblowers than all previous presidents in U.S. history
    COMBINED x2.


    Jeffrey Sterling is listed in the above mic piece.

    How Jeffrey Sterling Took on the CIA — and Lost Everything

    https://theintercept.com/2015/06/18/jeffrey-sterling-took-on-the-cia-and-lost-everything/

    CIA Whistleblower Jeffrey Sterling Speaks Out upon Sentencing to 3.5 Years in Prison

    http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/12/exclusive_cia_whistleblower_jeffrey_sterling_speaks

    Breaking Silence, Wife of Jailed CIA Whistleblower Jeffrey Sterling Seeks Presidential Pardon

    http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/15/breaking_silence_wife_of_jailed_cia

    Immediately pardon Jeffrey Sterling, imprisoned C.I.A. whistleblower

    https://www.change.org/p/president-...ffrey-sterling-imprisoned-c-i-a-whistleblower

    Would CIA Whistleblower Jeffrey Sterling Be in Prison If He Were White?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norma...-be-in-prison-if-he-were-white_b_7667186.html


    Obama and NSA are collecting it all, read through the many stories provided by the Edward Snowden cache. And over 100,000,000 Americans use the combined products and services from the companies listed in the PRISM slide/story (PRISM which is spying on and collecting it all). Obama is illegally spying on over 100,000,000 Americans daily, he deserves to be imprisoned for the rest of his life.


    Obama of Arabia

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-breitweiser/obama-of-arabia_b_9557136.html

    President Obama, you must not have read those 28 pages of the JICI, because if you did, I cannot fathom how or why you could ever bow and kiss the ring of Saudi terror. No amount of money, no greed, no power, no regional interest could ever be worth such TREASON.

    Fmr. Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), Sept. 10, 2015

    “Why has the United States government - through two administrations - gone to such lengths to COVER UP and now [OBAMA] ENGAGE IN AGGRESSIVE DECEPTION to keep this information from the American people? The frustrating thing for those 6,000 families, is that there is compelling evidence that Saudi Arabia was a co-conspirator, but their [Bush-Obama] government is withholding it from them.”

    Fmr. Sen. Bob Graham @ 6:08


    H.R. 14

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-resolution/14/text

    • Whereas President George W. Bush classified 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001;
    • Whereas the contents of the redacted pages are necessary for a full public understanding of the events and circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001, attacks upon the United States;
    • Whereas the [Obama] executive branch’s decision to maintain the classified status of these pages prevents the people of the United States from having access to information about THE INVOLVEMENT OF CERTAIN FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS in the terrorist attacks of September 2001; and
    • Whereas the people of the United States and the families of the victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks deserve full and public disclosure of the results of the Joint Inquiry:
    Treason Against the United States

    http://www.nytimes.com/1861/01/25/news/treason-against-the-united-states.html

    “If any person or persons, owing allegiance to the United States of America, shall levy war against them, or shall adhere to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States, or elsewhere (i.e. Saudi Arabia), and shall be thereof convicted on confession in open Court, or on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act of the treason whereof he or they shall stand indicted, such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH.”

    Obama, like Bush had before, is committing outright treason by protecting 9/11 co-conspirators. And it is more than just the Saudis, it is foreign governments (plural).



    U.S. Relies Heavily on Saudi Money to Support Syrian Rebels

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/world/middleeast/us-relies-heavily-on-saudi-money-to-support-syrian-rebels.html

    The Saudi efforts were led by the flamboyant Prince Bandar bin Sultan, at the time the intelligence chief, who directed Saudi spies to buy thousands of AK-47s and millions of rounds of ammunition in Eastern Europe for the Syrian rebels. The C.I.A. helped arrange some of the arms purchases for the Saudis, including a large deal in Croatia in 2012.

    Months later, Mr. Obama gave his approval for the C.I.A. to begin directly arming and training the rebels from a base in Jordan, amending the Timber Sycamore program to allow lethal assistance. Under the new arrangement, the C.I.A. took the lead in training, while Saudi Arabia’s intelligence agency, the General Intelligence Directorate, provided money and weapons, including TOW anti-tank missiles.

    (Note: Prince Bandar bin Sultan has been named by former Sen. Bob Graham in his 2004 book Intelligence Matters, and therefore in the 28 pages, as financing 9/11 hijackers while in the U.S., he has been protected for it by both George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama. Obama Treason x2!)


    A few of those black 9/11 families and survivors publicly pleading with Obama, who ignores them.

    Emanuel Lipscomb, heroic survivor | rescuer


    September 9, 2014, Washington, DC


    President Obama, you hear us!”

    Abraham Scott, husband of 9/11 victim

    September 9, 2014, Washington, DC


    “I beseech you President Obama, to declassify those 28 pages”

    Sylvia Carver, sister of 9/11 victim

    January 7, 2015, Washington, DC


    “I want to make a personal request to the President of the United States, to please, please, declassify the 28 pages.”


    That is false.

    Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads...benghazi-attacks.1960604/page-2#post-22663689


    PART 3 -- DECLASSIFICATION AND DOWNGRADING

    Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this order.

    (b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:

    (1)
    the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;

    (2) the originator's current successor in function, if that individual has original classification authority;

    The 28 pages were classified by President G.W. Bush, and Obama is his successor.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads...benghazi-attacks.1960604/page-2#post-22662227


    Presidential Declassification of Previously Classified Material

    http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/faculty/2006/04/presidential_de.html

    It appears to be true that THE PRESIDENT HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DECLASSIFY CLASSIFIED MATERIALS HOWEVER HE CHOOSES. This conclusion is supported by dicta in Department of Navy v. Egan, 484 US 518 (1988), and it is consistent with the historical fact that classification and declassification decisions have been made by the President. (On the relevance of historical facts, see Justice Frankfurter's separate opinion in The Steel Seizure Case.) To be sure, Congress might have the power to limit the President's power to classify and declassify (though the President is likely to resist any such limitation on constitutional grounds) -- but no such limitation appears to be in place.

    Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY), June 2, 2015

    “Secondly, this is a bipartisan issue. Unfortunately, bipartisan in two regards. We have Republicans and Democrats in both the House and the Senate who are leading the charge to release these pages; BUT YOU HAD TWO PRESIDENTS, EITHER OF WHICH COULD RELEASE THEM, COULD HAVE RELEASED THEM. The Republican President who is the reason that they are secret, and A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT WHO KEEPS THEM SECRET.

    TOMORROW, OR EVEN THIS EVENING, THE PRESIDENT COULD RELEASE THESE PAGES. Our resolution merely urges him to do that. And IT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN HIS AUTHORITY TO RELEASE THESE PAGES, and I want to make that point today.”

    H.R. 14

    Reps. Walter Jones (R-NC), Thomas Massie (R-KY) and Stephen Lynch (D-MA)

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-resolution/14/text

    (1) THE PRESIDENT SHOULD DECLASSIFY THE 28-PAGE SECTION of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001; and
    (2) the families of the victims and the people of the United States deserve answers about the events and circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001, attacks upon the United States.

    S. 1471

    Sens. Rand Paul (R-KY), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) and Ron Wyden (D-OR)

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/1471/text

    (a) Declassification And Public Release Of The Joint Inquiry Into Intelligence Community Activities Before And After The Terrorist Attacks Of September 2001.—Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act and subject to subsection (b), THE PRESIDENT SHALL DECLASSIFY AND RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC the previously redacted portions of the report on the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001, filed in the Senate and the House of Representatives on December 20, 2002, including all the material under the heading “Part Four—Findings, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters”.

    Obama could declassify the 28 pages right now this minute, as he could have every day for the past 7 years since he first promised leading 9/11 family member Kristen Breitweiser to her face that he would.

    Liberal Stanford & NYU: Living Under Drones

    https://law.stanford.edu/publicatio...ivilians-from-us-drone-practices-in-pakistan/

    For every 1 terrorist killed, 49 civilians are killed. Ratio of 49:1.

    Liberal San Franciscan: Out of Sight, Out of Mind

    http://drones.pitchinteractive.com

    That was last updated
    December 2013, and was over 3,300 victims killed by then. The drone program has only continued and expanded since December 2013. Plus, that is only in Pakistan, not any of the other countries Obama also is constantly droning men, women, children, babies and toddlers in. But notice the 8x increase in drone strikes by Obama vs. Bush in Pakistan, as of December 2013. (Plus, the 2,976 victims killed on 9/11 were not all civilians: there were military casualties too. 2,624 Americans.)

    Liberal The Intercept: The Drone Papers

    https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/


    Plus read this:

    Nobody Knows the Identities of the 150 People Killed by U.S. in Somalia, but Most Are Certain They Deserved It

    https://theintercept.com/2016/03/08...omalia-but-most-are-certain-they-deserved-it/

    Obama has murdered more civilians with drones, than Osama had murdered civilians with planes.


    Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), on the Senate floor admitting it was Obama who demanded indefinite detention of Americans be included


    The provision was included in the 2012 NDAA

    Obama Tax Military-Industrial Complex.png



    The award for biggest and fakest joke in U.S. politics ever, goes to...

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads...st-joke-in-u-s-politics-ever-goes-to.1961265/


    Read through that, I dare you. I included tons of sources.


    Read through that above biggest and fakest, then read this new Politico piece (James Risen, quoted in this piece, was a journalist forced by Obama to name his source):

    Spare Me Your Hypocritical Journalism Lecture, Mr. President

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/obama-hypocritical-journalism-lecture-213775

    At an awards ceremony, Obama praises journalists. Back in the White House, he blocks honest press queries with all his power.

    The last person in the world who should be lecturing journalists on how to do journalism is President Barack Obama. Yet there Obama was Monday night at a journalism award ceremony, yodeling banalities about the role of a press in a free society, moaning over the dangers posed by “he said/she said” reporting, and—to the delight of the assembled audience—attacking Donald Trump in every way but name. The press-heavy crowd, convened by Syracuse University’s S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications to give the Toner Prize for Excellence in Political Reporting to Alec MacGillis, clapped at Obama’s 30-minute address, encouraging his best Trump-baiting lines about “free media” and the dangers of “false equivalence.”

    What they should have done is bombard Obama with rotten fruit for his hypocrisy.

    How do we hate Obama’s treatment of the press? Let me count the ways. Under his administration, the U.S. government has set a new record for withholding Freedom of Information Act requests, according to a recent Associated Press investigation. FOIA gives the public and press an irreplaceable view into the workings of the executive branch. Without timely release of government documents and data, vital questions can’t be answered and stories can’t be written.

    Obama’s “Insider Threat Program” has turned employees across the government—from the Peace Corps to the Social Security Administration to the Department of Agriculture—into information-squelching snitches. If this isn’t Trumpian behavior, I don’t know what is.

    “Obama hates the press,” New York Times national security reporter James Risen said not long ago, “and he hates leaks.” AP Washington Bureau Chief Sally Buzbee has decried the “day-to-day intimidation of sources” by the Obama administration, judging it worse than the Bush administration on that score. And in a 2013 piece, POLITICO’s Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen documented Obama’s mastery of “limiting, shaping and manipulating media coverage of himself and his White House.”

    As ProPublica has reported, at the same time the Obama administration has been paying lip service to protecting whistleblowers, it has pursued national security leaks to the press with a vehemence unmatched by any previous administration, using the Espionage Act to prosecute whistleblowers who leak to journalists more times than all previous administrations combined. Obama holds infrequent news conferences, and he wastes reporters’ time by refraining from answering questions with any candor. He claims to helm “the most transparent administration in history,” while bending government policies and practices toward secrecy.

    “The administration’s war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration,” wrote Leonard Downie Jr. in a Committee to Protect Journalists report. And it’s not just Downie complaining. You could break Google by asking it to list all the top journalists who regard the Obama administration as Press Enemy No. 1.

    'The Greatest Enemy of Press Freedom in a Generation'

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ess-obama-first-amendment-James-Risen/385699/

    Many reporters have contentious relationships with sources and with the government, but James Risen is in a class of his own. The veteran New York Times national-security reporter has scored some notable scoops the authorities didn't want him to—most notably about a failed CIA sabotage operation on Iran's nuclear program. When Risen got the story the first time, the government convinced The Times to quash it for national-security reasons. (He eventually published it in a book).

    The CIA thought it knew who leaked the info, and it subpoenaed Risen to reveal his source. Demanding this of a journalist is technically legal, but is highly unusual and often frowned-upon. Risen refused to divulge the source and said he'd go to jail instead, setting up a long showdown with the Justice Department. Ultimately, Risen won. Under pressure, Attorney General Eric Holder vowed, ambiguously, "As long as I’m attorney general, no reporter who is doing his job is going to go to jail." Risen testified, refusing to name his source, and the Justice Department still managed to convict Jeffrey Sterling for leaking. Everyone else lived happily ever after.

    Or not. Risen has launched a one-man crusade against Holder and the Obama administration. Risen escalated that this week with a series of angry tweets replying to a speech Holder gave the National Press Club, in which the reporter blasted the current White House as the greatest enemy of press freedom in a generation and accused the attorney general of shredding the First Amendment.


    I can back up everything I post. Now when you finish going through what I have just posted for you in the immediate reply above (request for sources), reread what I initially posted for MadeTheSwitch in my first reply above. Obama is the biggest and fakest joke in U.S. politics ever. Bar none.
     
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    Center left... let's see, that's somewhere around where Boehner was...? :p
     
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    Yeah, but Trump is running as a Republican who is theoretically attractive to the far right of the Republican party, which segment of the party saw Boehner as a leftie (which is why Ryan's in there as speaker now, and practically having to walk on eggs to stay there!).
     
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    2009 Obama:

    "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."

    That's the Obama that Trump championed.
     
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    wait, was that Obama or Hillary? she flipped flopped for sure. hell her hubby passed DOMA.
     
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    You have that skewed.

    Trump is the right going center. Cruz is far right. Kasich is moderate right leaning more right.

    We see how that vote is panning out. Kasich doesn't even have enough votes to buy free toilet paper for the public toilet.
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    Hillary said that too. But she changed her mind when the polls changed.
     
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    Yes. Then he... evolved on that issue.

    So yes Obama did say it, then changed his mind. People's positions change on things sometimes. What's interesting to me this year about the far right who like Trump is that they don't seem to care a lot about the hot button issues except for immigration and trade. However, it's dawning on a lot of evangelicals that Trump's not their guy if they care about the whole spectrum of social issues Republicans on the right usually care about.
     
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    Ah. So "evolve" is the term assigned to liberals.

    And "flip flop" is the term assigned to non-liberals.

    Why is that, LizKat?
     
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    we need to get away from some "hot button" issues & concentrate on making things better here job/education wise. the evangelicals are all about Cruz in the conservative boards , it's sickening and funny as hell when they get into arguments..
     
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    You do realize that some of those things you listed are crimes right? Thus people go to jail or get trapped in Russia. Wow...shocker. The rest, frankly, I don't really care about. Sorry. Still one of the best Presidents we ever have had. I don't really care what the loony right or the loony left's opinion on the matter is.
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    That was Obama, Hillary, Bernie and every other politician now in favor of same sex marriages. Which was not always the case...for any of them. Still isn't the case for most Republicans. Which is why they lose a lot of votes. They literally push people away....in the millions. Which is dumb.
     
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    You do realize that Obama is the one committing the real crimes right? Thus Obama should go to jail for the rest of his life. Still one of the worst Presidents in United States history, tied with G.W. Bush for worst POTUS past 45 years. Obama is the biggest and fakest joke in U.S. politics ever. Bar none.
     
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    Beats the heck out of me. I used "evolve" in a somewhat cynical way, I'll admit, because I am not 100% convinced Obama's personal attitude on gay marriage has changed even if he does believe it's a valid equal protection argument. I do think it's correct for him as President to have changed his mind on the issue, having thought through the Constitutional issues.

    I don't iike the term "flip-flop", usually, because I think people's positions can change over time. I have heard both lefties and righties use "flip flop" to describe changing attitudes on particular issues.
     

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