Trump pardons Scooter Libby

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  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    The fact this is happening today isn’t a coincidence. Sucks for Scooter Libby that he’s now dragged into Trump’s political problems.

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    I dunno but here in the boondocks we call stuff like this "sighting the gun". Just checking everything's in order before deer season opens.
     
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    Once again, the orange menace has demonstrated what an utter buffoon he is. The pardon statement does not change the fact that Libby was duly convicted by an impartial jury, and Libby would be a fool to accept it, because American law has established that a pardon is equivalent to an admission of guilt. The buffoon can whine all he wants about how unfair it was, but only the courts have the power to change the ruling – a power that is blocked by a pardon.
     
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    Lol, another brilliant move by the stable genius. See, this is proof obstruction and perjury are not crimes. Hence, NO COLLUSION.
     
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    I want to know what shoe just dropped that made Trump so hot to try out his pardon pen that his aides just had to find a case he could write up before he wrote up the one about which they were all screaming NO DON'T GO THERE.

    Was this pardon offer to Libby just the product of some displaced urge to pardon his son-in-law or Michael Flynn? Or does Trump start to think about pardoning himself?

    I see WH aides racking their brains like a parent on a rainy day... where is his other coloring book? Maybe we can get out the train set again?
     
  7. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Perjury and obstruction are indeed real crimes but care to share the federal statute that lists collusion as a crime?
     
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    Shhhh! Don't tell POTUS that Obama-era FBI also helped to incriminate (and incarcerate) over a dozen ISIS-sympathizing domestic terrorists. If Stupid Donald finds this out, he will pardon and release ALL of them too….. if for no other reason than to 1) spite Obama and 2) spite the FBI.

    Donald Trump does a lot of stupid things merely to spite his perceived enemies, even if those stupid things absolutely harm the United States.
     
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    It seemed random, but that makes sense. He's advertising his magical powers now so he can monetize them later. Trade pardons for people's silence.

    You know, it'll be like Oprah soon: "YOU get a pardon, and YOU get a pardon, and YOU..."
     
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    Have a source for this? I ask because if true, this can and should be taken and shoved down Joe Arpaio's throat. This would prove that a pardon doesn't absolve one from a crime and being convicted of a crime; one would still be a criminal and have a criminal record.

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    It's far from random. Libby was prosecuted by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald who was appointed by none other than James Comey. And, Libby's lawyers are none other than the dynamic duo of Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing. They were about to join Trump's defense team but decided after all that conflicts of interest were an issue. So this is just another way of Trump throwing a hissy fit with pointed references.

    And this is about Trump telegraphing again how unfair Comey is, was, ever shall be despite his book tour and all the press he's getting right now... and how Trump has power to make all that pale in comparison to the headlines a President can generate.

    Meanwhile Mike Pence is doing the work of the presidency. Is Pence who said maybe not get in a hot war with Russia right now, maybe go pardon someone or watch Fox News this afternoon.

    Why is this president not looking out through a butterfly net or else facing a bill of impeachment.

    EDITED: corrected the Libby prosecutor's name.
     
  12. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    Well CNN is reporting that Michael Cohen is under criminal investigation so that might have something to do with it.
     
  13. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    The defining case is Burdick v. US (1915), which includes the text

    … a pardon … carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.
    (this paragraph is almost to the bottom of the linked page)

    In Arpaio's case, the pardon was issued before the sentence was handed down, so the judge vacated the conviction. But that leaves the verdict in place, so it is acceptable to call him a felon – a thing he was trying to get reversed but probably cannot.
     
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    So much winning. So many shoes!
     
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    Exactly. How people can continue to defend this crook and liar is beyond me. He continues to make a mockery of this great country.
     
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    The White House comms shop said Trump wasn’t going to South America so he could focus on Syria. LOL. Meanwhile Pence is going in his place and brining Marco Rubio with him (if only they were POTUS and VPOTUS right now).
     
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    We might be getting to nearly the end of the abridged story. Congress may tire of some of these antics and impeach him for breathing and hang the midterms. Expect some good press about what a great job Pence and Rubio been doing lately in their rounds on the president's behalf to make America great again, even if it's happening in Peru and wherever else Donnie was originally supposed to be this week.

    They have to sell in Mike before they can impeach Trump because 85% of the Republicans are still good with this loon in the oval. But, among that 85% are fewer and fewer of the GOP congress critters who have to dance around this guy and wonder if that's him on the phone offering to come help with their campaigns... he's a moral and political hazard.


    LOL that was a joke from @GermanSuplex and don't you get it?

    (the rich joke is that Trump doesn't get it)

    (the less amusing joke is that his followers will never get it)

    (i am not calling you a follower of Donald Trump)
     
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    I must have missed it, my bad..
     
  19. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    Ha, now Sanders says she doesn’t know when asked if Cohen is still Trump’s personal attorney.
     
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    How's that "drain-y swamp-y thing" working for you? ;)

    BL.
     
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    He's kinda outdone himself going after Comey in a more subtle way via pardoning Scooter Libby. I don't think Trump is actually detail-minded enough to have understood that Comey appointed Fitzergerald who prosecuted Libby. To me that sounds like Steve Bannon still whispering alluring crap into Trump's ear to stir the pot. Trump listening to Bannon at this point is taking a huge risk since Bannon's furious he lost his omniscient slot at the White House and then on top of that his perch at Breitbart after he left. I don't know what he says to Trump when they talk, but whatever it is, if it were food the Secret Service wouldn't let him eat it.
     
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    Scooter Libby was reinstated to the Bar some years ago:

    Washington D.C.-based former U.S. Attorney Joe DiGenova believes the Libby decision is a “terrible blow” to FBI Director James Comey, who announced Sunday that the agency had no new conclusions on Hillary Clinton and her private server from the 650,000 new emails found on Anthony Weiner’s laptop.

    “Scooter Libby was restored to the practice of law by the DC court of appeals because they believed that Scooter Libby presented evidence that his original trial had been corrupted by false testimony. And that false testimony was coerced by Jim Comey’s friend Patrick Fitzgerald and Comey was part of the team to destroy the vice president of the United States and it didn’t happen,” DiGenova said.

    He added,” It’s such a smack in the face to Jim Comey. Comey and Fitzgerald tried to frame Scooter Libby, and they did, but then they didn’t get it done. And then of course that idiot George W. Bush didn’t give him a pardon he only commuted his sentence.” - Joe DiGenova


    From the Wilson Lawsuit:

    On July 13, 2006, Joseph and Valerie Wilson filed a civil lawsuit against Libby, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and other unnamed senior White House officials (among whom they later added Richard Armitage)[135] for their role in the public disclosure of Valerie Wilson's classified CIA status.[136] Judge John D. Batesdismissed the Wilsons' lawsuit on jurisdictional grounds on July 19, 2007.[137][138][139][140] The Wilsons appealed Bates's district-court decision the next day.[141]Agreeing with the Bush administration, the Obama Justice Department argued that the Wilsons had no legitimate grounds to sue. Melanie Sloan, one of the Wilsons' attorneys, said: "We are deeply disappointed that the Obama administration has failed to recognize the grievous harm top Bush White House officials inflicted on Joe and Valerie Wilson. The government’s position cannot be reconciled with President Obama's oft-stated commitment to once again make government officials accountable for their actions."[142]

    On June 21, 2009, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal
    Libby's sentence has already been commuted.
     
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    Consider the sources. Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing represented Libby. They were supposed to join Trump's team. They could not, due to conflicts of interesting including representation of former Trump campaign officials with Russian contacts who are being investigated and at least one who is cooperating with Mueller.

    So now they seem to be more or less joining Trump's team the easy way, as kibitzers and media-ready Trump advocates with no need to concern themselves about legal niceties of representation and consultation with Trump's other counsel, whether White House or personal.

    Trump said he regretted deGenova and Toensing could not join his team. Eventually he may regret letting lawyers with no skin in his game play at media advocacy on his behalf. Why? Because Trump is very reactive and takes things he hears and blows them up and tweets about them, not usually to his advantage.

    He assumes deGenova and Toensing are on his side even though they "can't join his counsel."

    Big risk there if you ask me. They are representing Mark Corallo, who has agreed to spill whatever campaign beans he has to Muelller's team. So maybe Trump's a big believer in the efficacy of lawerly firewalls, and maybe deG & T are careful and would never leak anything from their counsel to or conversations with Corallo or Mueller to either Trump or to the media, and maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Who told Trump that pair would be perfect additions to his team? Who hooked them up to Trump to begin with?
     
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    It was a signal to Manafort, Kushner, etc - if you perjure yourself and are loyal, I got your back.
     

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