Trump proposes bonuses for teachers who get gun training

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  1. ericgtr12 macrumors 65816

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    Only in America would we reward teachers for arming themselves and getting weapons training while stripping their funding for educational purposes.

     
  2. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    Who cares about their actual salaries, or giving a bigger budget to schools so the kids education can benefit. It's teachers with gun that's worth spending tax money on. o_O
     
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    It's worse than that - his budget cuts funding for school security.
     
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    Ignoring the fact that this is one of the dumbest ideas out of many dumb ideas to come from Trump. Where exactly would this money come from when we can’t fully fund our schools to begin with.
     
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    As I've said - teachers are having to buy their own Elmer's glue....
     
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    LOL so that's how he wants to address the problem. More guns. Congratulations moron. Why try to find a solution to a problem when you can make it even bigger instead? OTOH it would alienate the base and we can't have that.
     
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    Given how smart trump actually is in terms of running so many successful businesses, I wonder how and why he comes up with such solutions.
     
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    They are probably the kinds of ideas that bankrupted a lot of his businesses.
     
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    With as many accidental deaths as occur in the US there should just be a tax credit for getting gun training.
     
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    Without knowing it’s hard to say. Statistically most businesses fail. Especially hotel and restaurants.
     
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    Does anybody think this is a good idea?

    I mean, you can be the most enthusiastic gun owner in the world, but even those people have to see the problem with expecting teachers to become ad hoc armed responders. Where are the teachers supposed to keep their weapons during class? On their hip? Does Trump have any idea of the difference between basic firearms training (ie. how to load, hold, aim, and fire a handgun) - and the sort of close-quarter combat training that would actually be needed to safely engage an active shooter.

    Does anyone seriously think that having more guns in schools is the answer to this problem?
     
  14. ericgtr12 thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Or instead of just letting any crazy ass kid buy an AR 15 with no questions implement mandatory training and regulation.
     
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    You honestly don't want me to pull out the stats on school shootings. You really don't.

    BL.
     
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    For all of the reasons pointed out above, and many more, this is an objectively bad idea.

    But at least Trump is actually engaging in discussion, which is an improvement from how he’s dealt with every other shooting during his term.
     
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    Actually, I would say that he isn't. Meeting with the survivors of Parkland is one thing; having notes with him to remind himself of what he needs to say to these people is patronizing.

    From even when it occurred, Trump went completely on the blame trail. Blame the FBI. Blame the Democrats. Instill anger and fear alongside the NRA. He has done absolutely nothing outside of a simple proposal instead of engaging positively with anything.

    At least George W. Bush went to people and consoled them. Gave them hugs. Met with people in their time of tragedy. Can't say the same for Trump, except that his golf game is worse after this than before.

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    To be fair - these families don't want hugs from Trump. They want action. They don't want his healing words. They want him to "put up or shut up"

    It would be more meaningful for him to go down there with news of a series of legislation he plans to push through that will really matter.
     
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    and background checks
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    NRA
     
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    Yes and property taxes are capped in some areas so there's not even the option of raising them even if taxpayers were willing, which is easy to say and good luck at the budget vote.

    I'd rather pay a bonus to a teacher who manages to educate a classroom full of kids while simultaneously making it seem like she or he has successfully focused on "teaching to the test".

    NYS sheriffs are advocating for a state budget item for armed "school resource officers" in every school in the state. For schools that don't have one (about half do, apparently), that's at least the equivalent of another teacher's pay in each school.

    Meanwhile over a perennial budgeting squeeze, schools have been pressured or forced to eliminate instruction in music, art, foreign languages and advanced placement courses. And there's no guarantee that an SRO is either needed at each school or would be able (or inclined?) to deter someone meaning to shoot students.

    "Good guy with a gun" on the premises is not the answer. "Bad guy couldn't lay hands on gun" holds more promise. That can and should be completely independent of any particular school budget anywhere in the USA. The question is how do we achieve that rock bottom denial of capability to a wanna be mass shooter. Sounds to me like some data collection and analysis is in order. Clearly with the missed flags on the Parkland school shootings, that process is happening right now. Meanwhile no need to settle for after the fact investigations. What were the flags and how many of them are being ignore right now for some other potential shooter?

    NY, CT, RI and NJ announced a regional consortium with intent among other goals to share info on gun permit denials, on the grounds that they are neighboring states and people denied permits often figure they'll try to arm up via purchase "next door". Will be interesting to see what the NRA thinks.

    HARTFORD — The governors of Connecticut, New York, New Jersey and Rhode Island are forming a coalition of like-minded states on gun control, hoping to make progress where they see the federal government has faltered.

    The four Democrats announced the formation of “States for Gun Safety” on Thursday, about a week after the mass shooting at a Florida high school. New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy says that shooting accelerated their idea to form the coalition, which has been in the works for about a year.​

    They are creating a cross-state task force that will trace and intercept illegal guns, step up intelligence and information sharing among the participating states and create a regional gun violence research consortium.

    They’ll be urging others to join the coalition at this weekend’s National Governors Association meeting.​
     
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    Trump and the head of the NRA are echoing each other's talking points almost word for word: schools need to be "hardened," the danger of gun-free zones, arming teachers, etc.

    I wonder how Trump himself would do as an armed teacher or security guard at a school with an active shooter. I think his Hollywood movie grasp of the situation would disappear very quickly and he'd be complaining about his bone spurs.
     
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    At best he would go the same way as the armed guard at the Florida school and go over to the building, but do nothing to engage the shooter. But more likely the bone spurs would come back and the coward wouldn’t even stand outside the building.
     

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