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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by ericgtr12, Mar 13, 2018.
(CNN)Donald Trump seems determined to make America ugly again.
You can thank the large percentage of angry, hateful and afraid people in his base for putting this dangerous incompetent in office.
it seems to me that the anger, hatred and fear was out there before Trump. The US has not progressed as much as many of us would like to think.
that's an interesting take on things.
They way I see it he's put a number of nations in their place and called out many of them for who they really are. He's done so with everyone equally. What you call Xenophobia I call common sense approach. No one is has fear of immigrants nor is their disdain for the losers of the bunch unwarranted. He's simply calling for a common sense immigration policy and the upholding of our laws so that we're not cutting illegal aliens a break because the only thing they deserve is a swift punt back to where they came until they choose to enter our society the right way.
The world is interconnected and it's mostly centered around the US. From our language to our currency to our position as a military power and a land and society that people want to not only participate with but a place that they are willing to break into illegally to be within. With all that this is OUR country not that of those around us and WE are finally deciding to put America first in decisions that impact us vs letting others walk over us or try and dictate how we behave. It is indeed time to Make our Country Great Again.
If we were losing influence or power then none of this would matter. The reaction in the world is one of a wake up call that the the mighty US has finally snapped out of the Comma that Obama and many others before him put us in. China and others are gaining ground not because of what we are doing over the past year but rather what we haven't been doing for decades. You know what's important to this White House? AMERICA and OUR Citizens. FINALLY!!!
An antiTrump and Clinton supporter writes an editorial. Ok.
Except maybe when it comes to Russia.
Progressed in what way? To become more socialist, less capitalist like European countries?
That sounds familiar...
blame Obama as most of this crap happened under his watch and the people at the helm didn't really seem to care until the very end.
Ah yes, there's always Obama. Of course if he had done more about it, including aggressively monitoring all the dirty people in Trump's campaign, Trump and his followers would complain about that too.
I always said the U.S should distance itself from Australia more
America seems so easy to remake in a year. Damn, think of where Trump will take us in 7 more years.
they wouldn't had the monitoring been above board.
Trump simply harnessed the racist hatred that had been building during the eight years we had an African American President. He was the most prominent birther in America, and I wonder if the Russian trolls were already feeding him his lines even back then. After all Trump’s ties to Russia and the former Soviet Union go back to the 1980’s.
I don’t think Trump has an actual plan for how he wants America to be, other than less diverse. He cares only about getting attention for himself and his brand. He never planned on actually becoming the President, and I honestly think he hates it. His biggest frustration is that he can’t just give the orders the way he can in his company. You know he doesn’t really want a second term, but he’s going to run because his ego won’t let him back out. Besides, it’s not such a bad gig when he gets to play all the golf he wants.
The problem with making America into his own image is that that just means Trump and his buddies get everything and the rest of us get screwed. The majority of his supporters are too blinded by fear and hatred of immigrants , minorities, and women to see how little Trump cares about them.
Don’t forget the utterly stupid portion also.
Yeah, really. Im so tired of the whiny socilaist bed-wetters and their never ending "cards" they play. Cant they come up with something else? Guess not. Lets review:
Xenophobia? Right - because protecting our borders & sovereiniy from illegals/terrorists is somehow "bad".
Racism? Right - because expecting people to take care of themselves, being against fabicated quotas, and not buying into the victim-trap whining makes you racist.
Angry/Hateful? - See my above replies. Same old crap. Sure, we are angry since our way of life is being trampled upon by the TRUE "hateful, miserable, always ranting" left.
What a hilarious thread.....
Of course it was, lunatic conspiracy theories aside.
If you want antiClinton and Trump supporter editorials just jump on over to Fox News, their entire site is riddled with it. So what's your point?
I more or less agree and understand with what you're saying except for the part in red.
What Trump really tapped into is pushback against the march of identity politics. The racist card is incidental.
It’s called a National, International TRAINWRECK. I’m confident in saying that Europe falls somewhere between laughing at us, but sobered by the implications, to hating what he represents and is fearful of what his leadership means.
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Racism lives, it’s not incidental, it what pushes, motivates us, at least some of us.
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Your thread is about an editorial by an antiTrump Clinton supporter. So that’s the topic.
I don't see how you could believe that the racism Trumped tapped into was just incidental. The degree of racism in his campaign, and from his supporters, was frankly shocking to me even though I've witnessed plenty of racism. I grew up in the South and I've seen racism and had friends who experienced it in one form or another. I also see racism where I live now, which is as North as you can go without reaching Canada. Racism is still a major problem in America, and it continues to be an issue that comes up in many election campaigns. Reagan infamously ran with the extremely racist black welfare queen political ads. Bush Senior's campaign kept the "fear of the black man out on prison furlough" in the public eye by using Willie Horton's mugshot, although to be fair it was Gore who first brought up Horton during the primaries. Trump used race throughout his campaign. Sometimes it was the subtle dog-whistle rhetoric to let the white nationalists know that he's one of them. Other times it was brazen racist statements like calling Mexicans murderers and rapists. Even as president he continues to say extremely racist things like describing African nations as "sh****** countries."
Trump's very slogan itself, "Make America Great Again," translates to some Americans as "Make America White Again." The anger that Trump tapped into is absolutely rooted in racism, and Trump's family has a history of racism. I think Trump used race to inspire an "us vs them" mentality though. Remember that Trump was pretty much the leader of the racist birther movement, so even during the Obama years he was aligning himself with racists. Of course it's not just racism. Like any campaign there are many issues that inspire voters, including the economy. But Trump's rhetoric around the economy and other issues was designed to frighten people. His campaign was based more on the fear that exists in white Christian America that their way of life is being threatened by immigrants, the poor, the non-Christians, the BLM movement, by intellectual elitists at liberal universities, etc. Every fear-based movement needs scapegoats to become the target of that anger. That's where the racism comes in.
I believe the phrase "identity politics" is nothing more than a phrase used to deny discrimination that is very real and very present in our culture. When the conservative right uses "identity politics" as a way to dismiss things like the BLM movement, LGBTQ movement, the #MeToo movement, etc. they may not intend to sound racist, homophobic, or sexist... but it aligns them with racists, homophobes, and misogynists. The way to reduce divisiveness caused by identity politics is to evolve as a society to a point when we are more tolerant. Most people don't want to live life feeling like they have to fight for the right to live just as they are and be who they are, but sadly some of them have to.
I'm not saying that all the anger Trump tapped into was racist in nature. The vast majority of people I have interacted with in the South (and elsewhere) are not racist (at least not to my knowledge). I have a very hard time understanding how anyone could vote Trump if they are not racist, but I know that some voted for Trump for other reasons. A big reason is a growing resentment towards the poor. Republicans and Trump continue to blame poor people ("takers" or "moochers") for a host of problems in our country. It gets linked to racism and sexism though. There is this feeling that many white American's have, especially poor white Americans, that African Americans and women get special treatment through affirmative action and other diversity initiatives. Trump tapped into this anger directed towards "moochers" and "line cutters" while deflecting anger away from large corporations and the wealthy. He also tapped into anger against Washington insiders, although I can't imagine why anyone would think Trump is a better alternative. He is hardly a salt-of-the-Earth kind of person. He's just a snake-oil salesman, a racist, and a misogynist.
More humane to our fellow human beings, however it is achieved politically. Sounds like fuzzy liberal nonsense, I know, but I do not see the harm in having it as an aspiration.