Trump says no more DACA deal

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  1. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    They offered him everything he wanted, and then he changed the deal. If they’d offered him more he would have changed it again. Trump never wanted a deal.
     
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    Overplayed their hand? They offered him full funding for his stupid wall as part of a DACA deal and he said yes, and then no, and then yes again, and finally no. You can’t negotiate with a bowl of Jello.
     
  4. Kestrel452 macrumors regular

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    Both of you have that reversed completely. Trump offered full wall funding in exchange for a pathway to residency for people currently "protected" by DACA. Democrats rejected it.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/the...mmigration-deal-as-budget-deadline-nears.html

    So, yes, the Democrats have overplayed their hand and got played by Trump like a fiddle once again.
     
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    I can’t believe the Dems offered him full funding of the wall. :oops:
     
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    The Democratic Party will normalize anything if they can rationalize it electorally to themselves.
     
  7. Kestrel452 macrumors regular

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    Fake news. Anyways, what's so wrong about enforcing our own border? I don't want to us keep paying tens of billions of dollars every year to subsidize people who came here illegally and just get on welfare upon arrival.
     
  8. RichardMZhlubb Contributor

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    No, it was Trump who agreed to a DACA deal with “Chuck and Nancy” last September, before reneging. Then he agreed to a deal with Diane Feinstein (live on TV) until Kevin McCarthy talked him out of it. Then he agreed to a deal with Dick Durbin, before reneging once again. Then he agreed to a deal with Chuck Schumer before Kelly talked him out of it. You can’t cut a deal with someone whose word is worthless.
     
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    It a hugmongus waste of tax dollars that we can no longer afford to flush down the drain while pretending we can afford it. How about some documentation as to tens of billions each year to subsidize illegal aliens? I’d like to hear about that. If they get welfare it would be far cheaper to change the law than build a stupid $70b fence that costs $150m a year to maintain. There are cheaper solutions such a citizenship database applied to employment in the US.
     
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    To be honest, I agree with you that simply enacting serious entitlement reform, implementing e-Verify, and outlawing cities like Chicago from issuing drivers' licenses or municipal ID cards to illegals (which are expressly stated to help them collect benefits) would be a better long term solution. It'd also attract people of a better mindset to the US. I'm all for bringing in people who want to work and support themselves.

    Except...entitlement reform and enforcing any type of immigration law is being made impossible by the Left in this country. So I see that as a pretty hypocritical comment from someone whose obviously left-leaning. And I see a physical border barrier as being the only viable solution to keep the problem from continuing to grow at the significant pace it is.
     
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    That’s the problem, it’s not viable, not worth the price imo. You’ve got Trump in your head. <- a joke. ;) The ironic thing is the States that have hunkered down on illegal aliens end up with their crops rotting in the fields in some cases.
     
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    When did they offer him full funding of the wall? I must have been asleep.
     
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    I doubt it will ever get built. All it would need would be to be held up in environmental review for 3 years. I’m sure there are plenty of liberal groups who can do that.
     
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    Back in January they came to a deal with Trump to fund the wall in exchange for a path to citizenship for dreamers. A few days after the meeting trump walked away from the deal and started asking for changes to legal immigration. I think they made him the same offer again more recently as well.
     
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    For anyone still curious as to why anyone dem or not would be confused on the 45's position when it comes to DACA, I present this guy...

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/23/17155558/trump-shutdown-government-veto-daca-wall

    President Donald Trump is threatening to shut down the government, tweeting that he is considering vetoing the $1.3 trillion spending bill Congress passed at 1 am Friday because it does not reflect his immigration priorities. A veto would likely cause a government shutdown, as lawmakers have already departed for a two-week recess without passing a short-term spending bill.

    Trump tweeted that the bill does not adequately fund the border wall or address the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which he blames Democrats for. Without any action in Congress, the fate of DACA, which the Trump administration pledged to end this year, is currently tied up in courts.

    Insofar that the government funding package largely ignored Trump’s hardline immigration agenda, the president is right to be angry. As Vox’s Dara Lind explained, the bill actually reins in the country’s immigration enforcement apparatus, doesn’t touch so-called “sanctuary cities,” and doesn’t come close to fully funding Trump’s southern border well.

    As for DACA, however, Trump should probably direct his frustration at his own party. For months, congressional Republicans have spent all their energy to try to persuade Democrats to separate government spending and immigration. When most Democrats voted to shut down the government over DACA in January, Republicans took to blaming their Democratic colleagues for holding the government “hostage” over the “unrelated issue of illegal immigration.” This time, Democrats complied with their demands.

    So either the democrats over played their hands, or capitulated as another thread was started to point out, the only role the dems will be playing for 45 and republicans is to be blamed. You go along with 45, he changes his mind, and blames the dems. The dems stick to their guns they get blame for not cooperating. With this bowl of indecisive orange jello, there's a lose / lose option. ...And we still have NOTHING done about DACA. But hey, he's a great deal maker, AMIRITE?!! :rolleyes:
     
  16. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Please source where the left conceded to border wall funding specifically.

    The left wants DACA alive for the midterms.
     
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    Why are we the taxpayers funding the wall? He said Mexico was paying numerous times during the campaign. If he's so rich like he claims, why doesn't he fund it himself? If it's changed to we are paying and them Mexico will reimburse, Don should pay and be reimbursed.

    Or if American people really want the wall, set up a gofundme to Trump's supporters can donate.
     
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ocrats-schumer-trump-border-wall-daca/551288/

     
  19. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    I would be bet if there was a box on the 2017 1040 Form that asks what percentage of your taxes you want to go to fund the border wall, it would be WAY!!!!!!! over funded. Gofundme would work as well.
     
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    Why should his stupid wall be funded. I thought Mexico was footing the bill. What’s the problem?
     
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    By the way, Trump claimed this morning that there are a bunch of people trying to get into the county right now in order to take advantage of DACA, which proves, pretty conclusively, that Trump has no idea what DACA is or does (it only applies to people who have been in the country continuously since 2007).
     
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    Well there you go! A Gofundme page would be awesome! Only problem is that while the administration hasn't solved many of it's logistics problem, you'd be trusting a group who wouldn't say where all the excess money for a sparse inauguration went. So that money raised would be held somewhere waiting to finally be used, with possibly questionable oversight again. On top of that, imagine the optics of money from a Gofundme being used for eminent domain. Oh boy! That'll be a sight.

    Meanwhile as all the people who proudly donate to a Gofundme will be happily reminded that Mexico is still going to pay for that wall any day now. Ouch! That won't sting.

    Ugh. o_O

    Don't give this administration more ideas on how to exploit it's base.

    I don't want to even imagine the legal quagmire and knot tying that would occur if such a thing could be added to a tax form. The will of the people decided by those who want to use money to get their way...:cool: Oh wait, we already have that of sorts don't we? :confused: Man, sometimes we really get flexible in how we want things to work in our government.
     
  23. ChrisWB, Apr 1, 2018
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    You think that people would voluntarily pay an extra $21.6 billion in taxes this year, $50 billion next year, and $150 million every year after that?

    To put that in perspective, you would need:

    1. 216,000 Americans to voluntarily pay an extra $100,000 in taxes this year, or
    2. 2,160,000 Americans to voluntarily pay an extra $10,000 in taxes this year, or
    3. 21,600,000 Americans to voluntarily pay an extra $1,000 in taxes this year

    Plus

    1. 500,000 Americans to voluntarily pay an extra $100,000 in taxes next year, or
    2. 5,000,000 Americans to voluntarily pay an extra $10,000 in taxes next year, or
    3. 50,000,000 Americans to voluntarily pay an extra $1000 in taxes next year

    Plus

    Every American taxpayer's taxes would permanently rise to cover the $150,000,000/year (minimum) needed to maintain the wall.
     
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    The funny part is people actually think it would ONLY cost 21 billion to build. This is the US Gov’t people, when they say that you might as well Triple it. And don’t say well Trump will make sure they stay on budget, this is a man that flies down to Florida every single weekend to play golf, do you really think he cares about tax payers dollars??
     
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    Trump killed DACA. Any attempt to state otherwise is pretty much a lie.
     

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