Trump Scandal of the Day: Erik Prince

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    He’s also the guy who ran Blackwater and made bank in Iraq... so much for Trump not being Deep State (whatever that means).

    Also I cannot find the link now but he has large investments in bauxite, which is related to the manufacturing of Aluminum. And it’s not like Trump would interfere in metal tariffs, right?
     
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    Mysterious suicides and unsolved homicides.

    No wait, that's what happens when Liberals are under investigation.
     
  4. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Deflection noted.
     
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    And expected.
     
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    I still can't figure out why a man (who's on TV) who had decent salt and pepper hair that everyone saw, suddenly starts with the coloring box. Unless he's banging a chick 30yrs younger, OK maybe.
     
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    And oh so sad.
     
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    Equivalence arguments are like getting whacked by the boomerang just thrown, but having has no clue what just hit them or that they were hit at all. :D
     
  9. DearthnVader macrumors 6502a

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    Wasn't a deflection, it was an observation.

    Who do liberals think they are going to convince with all this?

    I understand, it's a dual pronged attack, try and get Trump out of office, try and win the midterms by damaging Trump's credibility and by extension Republicans in Congress.

    I mean, turnabout is fair play and all, and both sides do this, but really only one side is any good at it.

    I just don't think liberals are convincing any swing voters, because I'm not sure they exist to the extent that it will matter in the midterms.

    Poeple have already chosen a side, and they will vote the way that affims their worldview, and thier checkbook.

    Barring a major economic downturn, I predict that Republicans will hold power in both houses after the midterms. Likely lose some seats in both houses, but still hold the majority.

    These consant threads are just fodder for people that hate Trump and Republicans anyway, you won't gain any votes there.

    I can speak for me personally, I've never voted for a Republican for Congress, an I normally don't feel any need to vote in midterms, but all the anti Trump this and the evil Republicans that has just made it to the point that I have to pick a side, and it's not your side. So I'm going to go out and do what I hate, just because liberal policies are bordering on social insanity, and I have noticed when liberals are in office, there seems to be a drian on my checking account.

    Is Trump a good person, no, do Republicans in Congress have my best interest in mind, no. However, only one side is trying to disarm the people, and only one side is blaming " The Russians" for people like me, that just voted the way we wanted to vote, and that is for Trump and against liberals.

    There has been no moment of clarity, no reflection that the Democratic party has just embraced policies that a great number of voters can't live with.

    Sure, you can win oppion polls, and say most of the nation is with you, but you seem to have trouble winning elections.
     
  10. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Or this could just be about POTUS and not about the election. You just said it - Trump isn't a good person. Maybe this is about finding out the truth and if there's something to be done about it.

    You are deflecting. Because you didn't respond to the topic - but rather tried to pivot it.
     
  11. DearthnVader macrumors 6502a

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    You just had no retort to what I said, so you used a tactic of trying to discredit it by calling it a deflection.

    You know where good guys finish, they finish last, no one has the least concern for electing the most morally upstanding person to a job that will strain the morals of even a saint.

    Most people just vote for whoever they feel will keep the most money in their pocket, the rest just vote for the one they feel will take the least.

    Given that, like I say, when the economy takes a downturn, the party in power will pay a price at the voting booth for it.

    Is that fair, does the government really have that much control over how the economy goes, not really, but fair comes to town once a year and they have rides, shows, and tilted games.

    Like I say, I just don't feel you're going to convince anyone, no matter how many Trump bashing threads you start a day. The man has all the morals of a slimy used car salesmen, I'm not casting a moral judgment of the man when I vote. that's between him and his god. I'm casting a vote based on his policy, and as it stands, the economy is looking pretty good.

    Am I getting rich, no, but I wasn't going to get rich under Clinton either. You know why, because government policy isn't what is preventing me from becoming rich, it's the fact that I don't have the drive and selfdissipline it takes to become rich, so long as I can pay my bills, have most of the things I need, and some of the things I want, I'm content to be lazy and let someone else become rich.

    One party has embraced the philosophy that it isn't fair, that people with drive and self discipline should take a back seat to someone based on gender or skin color. That we don't need a merit based system, we need equality.

    Far from where JFK's Democratic party was, and right thinking people know, that such policies will lead to equality, everyone will be equally poor.
     
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    A lot of typing - still completely off topic. You do realize this is about Mueller's investigation into a meeting to create a backchannel to the Kremlin right?

    I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. This is the internet.
     
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    Prince is bad news all around. How he isn't radioactive is beyond me.
     
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    Sure you are, you want your team to take back America, to make America great again, for your team.

    Of course, I don't want that, you see that little picture below my name, that's the statue of General Andrew Jackson that stands outside of the White House. I spent years under Obama railing like you are railing now, that the nation needs to return to the principals that made it great, and that Jackson, the fonder of the Democratic party embodied most of those principles.

    You know who the last President that visited the grave and home of Jackson, before Trump was?

    Reagan, not Bush or Bush II, Obama or Clinton. To me those men are the antithesis of everything America stands for. Jaskson was known by many nick names, one was the common man champion, because he was the first President elected after the "common man" got the vote, universal ( white ) men's suffrage, as opposed to only white male landowners getting the vote.

    In a strange similarity Jackson won backed by folks that lived in the countryside, as his main rival, Henry Clay, was backed by mostly city folk.

    Pretty much exactly how the last election went down.

    City folk, with all their high ideals looking down their nose and folks that live in the countryside.

    While the majority of people may live in the city, and politicians can be popular by pandering to them, this nation wasn't setup to be majority rule. The minority has a geographic advantage in the way districts are draw for the lower House in Congress, and the way the electoral map is drawn for the Presidency.

    Now you still have to win over enough votes from city folks to put you over the top, but you can't rely on them alone.

    Hillary got her clock cleaned by Trump, not the Russians, because Trump, as it truns out, is a better politician. While he didn't appeal to the most people, he didn't waste his time trying to win the popular vote, he only needed to appeal to the right voters to win the electoral college, and that came down to the things he said, and Hillary didn't say.

    The Russians had nothing to do with it.
     
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    Once again, a post full of "ranting" but has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Maybe you want to discuss your opinion on Erik Prince and this meeting? Or Mueller's investigation of the meeting? Otherwise, all you're doing is a series of lengthy posts deflecting from the topic.
     
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    Except of course the 18 intelligence agencies that reported that they did. And you know, the guilty pleas of top Trump campaign aids and of his National Security Chief, Michael Flynn.
     
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    I'm trying to educate you as to why you lost the election, as your continual topics that all fit into the same topic are getting on my nerves.

    I'm politicking for my team, and your politicking for yours. We could just have on basic thread, Trump bad, liberals good and that would pretty much sum up most of the posts here.

    Anyway, I got around to the point on the topic, as I've said in the many threads to the Muller investigation, it's a political witch hunt, and it's only purpose is to try and win future elections for liberals.

    Trump will not be removed from office, tho he may die in office.

    See, I know well thought out reasoning is lost on liberals, they'd rather just name call, or boil everything down to two word replies, instead of engaging in some soul searching about the policies they embraced that lead to the fact that they lost every branch of the government in the last 8 years.

    It's just so much easier to blame the " Russians".


    I just think it's counterproductive to our democracy to have some many people embracing the propaganda. No matter how many threads are started prompting to the "Muller" investigation, the premise won't gain anymore weight, because it's flawed.

    Thus you will win no more votes for your team. I'm trying to tell you why it's counterproductive to you own ends.

    Because it assumes things, that Trump voters are morons that can be swayed in their votes by a little facebook propaganda, or a few million dollars worth of twites.

    That's exactly what lost liberals they last few elections, no one likes the feeling that someone else is looking down their nose at them.

    We are all equal here, we all get our one vote. First we were racist, bigoted, homophobes, then we were sexist Islamophobes, and when none of that worked, now it's the grand Russian conspiracy to deprive the American people of the person that should have won the election.

    Look down your nose at coal miners, look down your nose at auto workers, people who work in factories, or on farms, ignore those people and their vote. Try and sell them that they only voted the way they did because Vad hatched his grand plan.

    Keep losing elections, what do I care.
     
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    What a complete reversal of reality. Trump and GOP don't give a crap about workers, they only serve the top 1%. Trump spent his career trying to cheat whoever did work for him. Clearly it's the Democrats, if anyone, that's on the side of labor.

    And it's not clear why you want to minimize Russian meddling in the election. Trump won by the slimmest of majorities in a few swing states. Those results could very well have been influenced by the interference that is acknowledged by everyone except Trump. It only had to change the mind of ~1% of the population there.

    And finally, maybe you haven't been following the recent elections. Alabama, probably the reddest state in the nation, elected a Democratic senator.
     
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    they haven't done a thing for the working man or even the poor man for decades. I remember when Obama got in office that blacks everywhere celebrated and that turd let them down more than ever. If I was black, I'd still be ticked. He blew it as the first half-black POTUS.

    because the reality is they have been meddling in elections all over as long as we have. everyone calls Trump a buffoon who is stumbling through life like a bull in a china shop yet once he won they want to credit him with coordinating a Houdini like win coordinating it all with Putin. It's laughable. the story with him changes with the wind when in the end he was a bad candidate that beat an even worse candidate. At some point his haters will realize that it wasnt him that we voted for, it was his policies. the vary policies he's executing on.

    slim or not he won and he knocked down the blue wall. his victory will forever go down in history and while you call it slim, the reality is it was a Rocky style knock out bigger than any we've seen. election nigh 2016 was the best night of TV in decades.

    dude, look who was in the running.....really, was anyone surprised? guess who didn't support that turd....Trump. Even he called it.
     
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    That's just basic. Al Gore would have felt an ant fart a continent away before feeling the above.
     
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    including this meeting that happened well after the election. had the meeting been planned in 2015 and occurred in January of 2016, there might have been something to actually look at.
     
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    It’s very possible that Putin just found him to be a useful idiot and Trump wasn’t involved in the interference. But he certainly appears guilty, although that could just be his ego not wanting to accept that he was put into office by a hostile foreign power.
     
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    Yes, very slim. Let's take Michigan as an example:
    Trump 47.6% 2,279,805
    Clinton 47.3% 2,268,193

    That's less than an 0.3% margin. Results in some other swing states are around 1%. Given all the documented Russian meddling, you don't think it could have influenced < 1% of the population to vote for Trump?

    And Trump is an obvious buffoon - lazy and ignorant. One doesn't have to credit him with anything - he had people around him to do the heavy lifting. He just set the corrupt tone.
     
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    Lot's of things go down in history. Will it go down and something people are proud of is another question.
     
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    Every Presidential win goes down in history, duh, but Trump's winning won't even be close to the top of what he'll be remembered for. Grab them by the *****, paying off porn stars, highest WH turn over in modern history, scandal after scandal, most golf played and vacations took in first year and we can't forget one of the biggest reasons he'll be remembered in history, all that lying. So yeah Trump will be remembered but not in the best way.
     

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