Trump Signs Bill Lifting Pharmacist Gag Clauses

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  1. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna918721

    Did Trump actually do something that the haters can’t even complain about??
     
  2. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    Not sure why Trump would get any credit for this. It was the Congress who wrote and passed the bill, (which looks decent, on the surface. I'll wait to see some analysis before going all in, though). All he's doing is signing something that they crafted. Good on him for not being a dick, but he really doesn't get credit for it. That goes to Susan Collins and her colleagues.

     
  3. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    Any step is welcome but there are bigger issues that should be addressed such as allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, a campaign promise that was not fulfilled.
     
  4. cajun67 macrumors regular

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    There's no doubt that Trump will do some things that everyone agrees help the common good. As president, he's making thousands of decisions on the behalf of the people -- surely some of them will turn out to be the right ones, whether by intent or by accident?
     
  5. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    The only problem with the right to know drug prices act is that even if the pharmacist knows the drug price, they really don’t know the drug price.

    Pharmacy benefit managers (express scripts, Caremark, etc) work our deals with drug manufacturers to get rebates. So a drug’s wholesale price may be $1000, but the PBM may get a $300 rebate from the manufacturer for every prescription filled , effectively making the cost of the drug $700. So in conclusion, its all a game of smoke and mirrors. I’m not really sure what effect this will have in most cases.

    It will be interesting to see the indoctrinated CVS and Walgreens pharmacist’s jaws drop when they learn how cheap drugs actually cost wholesale. Their pharmacy systems don’t show the actual costs of medications, only the AWP pricing which is basically the MSRP pricing of the drug- which is fictitious pricing set by the manufacturer.
     
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    You'd think that providing health care for all and slowing the rate of increase of the cost of health care would have been appreciated by even the haters.
     
  8. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    It was. If it was called the "Affordable Care Act" or simply laid out the details, most were in favor; call it Obamacare and the favorability goes down.

    What's in a name?
     
  9. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    Lmao right. Illegally forcing people to buy health insurance that they can’t afford. I mean who could complain about that?
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    While I agree: this is largely what we’ve done with every president before him.
     
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    How about not price gauging life saving drugs? Or how about....not charging $150 for a warm blanket at ER?? Or, not charging me for a ride in an ambulance to ER, even though taxes pay for EMT??
     
  11. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a

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    Why isn't he touting this? Trump takes a lot of credit for things not of his own doing, why should this be different?

    He's talking about "Crooked Hillary colluding with Russians!" (LOL!) in his rallies. Why doesn't he talk about working to lower drug costs for everyone, and working harder on replacing the ACA (which he gutted but didn't do anything to help with - and seems to have abandoned and is no longer concerned about) with something truly better?

    He can't, because he doesn't care about those things. He doesn't care about the upcoming general elections either, just what the votes mean to him. His look, his prospects. He's worried about 2020, not next month, next year, the next two years, only as far as what it means to the next presidential election.

    He has great healthcare, do you think he cares about yours, whoever you are, even if you are a staunch supporter of his? Do you think he asks his staff what can they do to undercut Obamacare by making it cheaper for the masses and provide better coverage? Or do you think he's watching Fox News and is upset they aren't too hot on his most recent rallies?
     
  12. KGB7 Suspended

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    It’s only been a day, he’s obviously a busy man. He needs to save his energy from tweeting. And in time, he will incorporate his win, in to another winning 1 hour speech. Just... be patient, it’s coming.
     
  13. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the individual mandate. So it in fact was not illegal, in case you are interested in facts.
     
  14. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    Lack of explanation and advertising on Obama's part.

    Massive attack ad and lies by opponents.

    Health care is complex and people rarely use it (unless long term illness). It will take massive education program to educate people.
     
  15. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    Nice appeal to authority there. So if the Supreme Court strikes down Roe V Wade and the federal government bans abortion are you just going to accept that as legal? When the Supreme Court upheld segregation and Jim Crow in Plessey was that legal? I think we’ve seen time and again that SCOTUS is fairly meaningless when it comes to legality. Sorry you can’t legally force me to do something I don’t want to do.
     
  16. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    Trump's action was acquiescence not leadership. Though vetoing might still have been a dick move, considering that the Senators do need to campaign at some point.
    It passed the senate by 98-2.

    The dissenters were
    Lee (R-UT)
    Paul (R-KY)

    In the house, it passed by voice vote, so the amount of opposition Trump's veto would have faced isn't known.
     
  17. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    You said the individual mandate was illegal. That word has a meaning whether or not you agree with how it's applied in every circumstance. I don't believe in segregation but at the time it was legal. You may not agree with the individual mandate but it's legal.

    In a civilized society, we sometimes have to do things we don't want to do. You have to pass a test and buy auto insurance if you drive. You have to wear clothing when walking down the street. Etc. So of course society can legally force you to do something you don't want to do.

    The irony is that if someone decides not to purchase health insurance and then gets sick or in an accident, they will be forcing the rest of us to foot the bill for their care.
     
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  19. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    Legally?

    Are you prepared to become intimately familiar with the Gewaltmonopol des Staates?

    You can make a political argument, and a moral argument, but you'e lost the legal argument.
     
  20. Abazigal macrumors G4

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    That’s how low the bar is for him right now. He just needs to not cause world war 3 and he will be like “best president ever!!!”
     
  21. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    And there are some on PRSI that refused to give credit to Obama for anything.

    Both seem like tiresome sports team politics to me.
     
  22. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    While I agree that the government should not be able to force us to do something we find morally or ethically wrong, the fact of the matter is that they can legally do it. The law, it's enforcement and content, is entirely in their bailiwick. Right or wrong, the government does have that power. All we can do, is lobby our representatives to change the laws, or hope the courts come to their senses and overrule themselves in these cases.
     

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