Trump: the ANTI-job president

PracticalMac

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Solar industry growth expanded rapidly during the 2016 race, and with the cost of PV panels plummeting (as manufacturing efficiency and volume improve), demand is increasing, and installation companies cannot get enough people to fill the vacancies.

There is a growing investment opportunities in PV, even the big energy companies are getting involved, riding the growing momentum in industry.

Bottom line, with up to a 40 year life expectancy and a ROI of 5 to 10 years, a PV array is a major money saving system for a building owner.
With rise in energy demand the traditional companies will still be in business, if they keep doing what they do, go with the change.

PV is now second to oil/gas, far exceeds coal in US. Even the UK knows this. Pennsylvania that helped push Trump to win is rapidly going PV, even red NC is realizing that PV is where the jobs are.



Meanwhile PV also promotes transportation, and expanded electrical grid, which needs urgent action yesterday (over privatized air traffic control).
It takes a lot of labor and materiel to install PV, but once set almost no labor to keep it going.




PV and Wind renewable are where the jobs are, and it will take decades before the market is saturated.
By 2020 there probably will be over 1 million jobs in this sector.

Does not matter if you believe in climate change or not, its all about JOBS.

IOW, Trump is making it harder to achieve his job growth promise.
 

LizKat

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Trump wants to kill the Appalachian Regional Commission, although McConnell has suggested that's DOA. But again there's an example of Trump going after the left-behinds. The development grants made from the Commission tend to be in range of $50k, $100k and yet they are often instrumental in supporting or jumpstarting local industry.

For example, in a county adjoining mine in upstate NY, a college has received $83k, granted to develop a malting barley quality laboratory, to help farmers now growing crops that supply the growing craft brewery industry in the area.

This area voted for Trump. Yet his budget reflects zero concern for what actually assists local development. He's dealing for himself, for the oligarchies and the already well heeled.
 

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Zenithal

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But i'm workin' on it.

How about this:



http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/12/news/companies/retailers-dying/index.html

quote:
Some 3,300 store closings have been announced so far this year, according to Fung Global Retail & Technology, a retail think tank. That's double the number in the same period in 2016.
Let's not forget the following.

1. Coal jobs are waning thin, even under a Trump administration. He got the coal vote with a lie. Plain and simple.
2. Coal industry has less workmen than a small national fast food chain. Those who worked in coal are retraining to work in solar.
3. Carrier extended their non-shipout but are still moving full steam ahead with shipping jobs to Mexico. They've already started and plan on shipping more out.
4. Ford is shipping jobs and assembly lines to Mexico.
5. Ford is currently buying out 15,000 of their employees and counting. These jobs are Ford's non-blue collar positions. Vital and critical roles to the company's future health.
6. Intel's new Fab was not a doing of Trump.
The list goes on and on.
7. Majority of jobs created through government data are an offload of the Obama administration. Q3 of a new administration is the key to valid data.
8. Slowing down H1B abuse doesn't solve the problem. Offshoring is considered. H1Bs require a minimum salary that must be met by the employer. Offshoring doesn't have these legal limitations.
 

Zombie Acorn

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Nope. Try again. Give solid examples of companies that increased their workforce and will maintain that US workforce for the next 2-4 years under a Trump Administration.

"Such as creating more jobs" is not a valid answer. If anything, it tells me you simply regurgitated a hot talking point among Trump fans.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/us-jobs-report-february-2017-2017-3

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/05/news/economy/april-jobs-report-us-economy/index.html
 

Zenithal

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FAKE!

Sorry, can't use those job reports. They were always called fake and misleading during the Obama administration. Henceforth, any job reports during the Trump Administration are also fixed. These job reports also count part time jobs, and not all full time jobs. Try again.

It's only fair to keep the same attitude. That is unless you had other reasons to fixate on the Obama Administration report and not the Trump Administration. Those are also non-specific new jobs. I asked for specific example, as in "solid companies." A mass job report carried across he US labor force is not specific.
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Once a dirty little twit always a dirty little twit.
 
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Zombie Acorn

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FAKE!

Sorry, can't use those job reports. They were always called fake and misleading during the Obama administration. Henceforth, any job reports during the Trump Administration are also fixed. These job reports also count part time jobs, and not all full time jobs. Try again.

It's only fair to keep the same attitude. That is unless you had other reasons to fixate on the Obama Administration report and not the Trump Administration. Those are also non-specific new jobs. I asked for specific example, as in "solid companies." A mass job report carried across he US labor force is not specific.
You won't be convinced then, so be it, the sky is falling.
 

Huntn

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Solar industry growth expanded rapidly during the 2016 race, and with the cost of PV panels plummeting (as manufacturing efficiency and volume improve), demand is increasing, and installation companies cannot get enough people to fill the vacancies.

There is a growing investment opportunities in PV, even the big energy companies are getting involved, riding the growing momentum in industry.

Bottom line, with up to a 40 year life expectancy and a ROI of 5 to 10 years, a PV array is a major money saving system for a building owner.
With rise in energy demand the traditional companies will still be in business, if they keep doing what they do, go with the change.

PV is now second to oil/gas, far exceeds coal in US. Even the UK knows this. Pennsylvania that helped push Trump to win is rapidly going PV, even red NC is realizing that PV is where the jobs are.



Meanwhile PV also promotes transportation, and expanded electrical grid, which needs urgent action yesterday (over privatized air traffic control).
It takes a lot of labor and materiel to install PV, but once set almost no labor to keep it going.




PV and Wind renewable are where the jobs are, and it will take decades before the market is saturated.
By 2020 there probably will be over 1 million jobs in this sector.

Does not matter if you believe in climate change or not, its all about JOBS.

IOW, Trump is making it harder to achieve his job growth promise.
Impressive graphic with the solar panels on Houses on the right.
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Such as creating more jobs.
Trump has mostly done jack. The deals are symbolic. Instead of sending 2000 jobs to Mexico buy a thousand jobs for $xxxxx in tax credits.
 

blackfox

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Let's not forget the following.

1. Coal jobs are waning thin, even under a Trump administration. He got the coal vote with a lie. Plain and simple.
2. Coal industry has less workmen than a small national fast food chain. Those who worked in coal are retraining to work in solar.
3. Carrier extended their non-shipout but are still moving full steam ahead with shipping jobs to Mexico. They've already started and plan on shipping more out.
4. Ford is shipping jobs and assembly lines to Mexico.
5. Ford is currently buying out 15,000 of their employees and counting. These jobs are Ford's non-blue collar positions. Vital and critical roles to the company's future health.
6. Intel's new Fab was not a doing of Trump.
The list goes on and on.
7. Majority of jobs created through government data are an offload of the Obama administration. Q3 of a new administration is the key to valid data.
8. Slowing down H1B abuse doesn't solve the problem. Offshoring is considered. H1Bs require a minimum salary that must be met by the employer. Offshoring doesn't have these legal limitations.
We live in a world where innovation in technology, social systems and just general increase in complexity make people frightened in an existential sense. Frightened people don't respond well to reason, but to platitudes. Globalism has netted more jobs and capital into the US than it's absence. Old technology (e.g. Coal) is dying. People need to be retrained and/or be involved in a NewDeal public works project to bridge the Generational gap in skills and inject more dollars into the Economy...or so I might think. Opinions will vary...
 

Zombie Acorn

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Nope. Can't pull that now. It's either valid under all administrations or it isn't. You can't pick and choose. Trump's full of crap. You know it, I know it, he knows it.

You can pick up your free hug from jkcerda the next time you head back to the states.
Just might want to give Trump a full year before you judge the entirety of his presidency. Or don't, it really doesn't matter.
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Trump has mostly done jack. The deals are symbolic. Instead of sending 2000 jobs to Mexico buy a thousand jobs for $xxxxx in tax credits.
Why would I want to create 2000 jobs in Mexico to get cheap junk when I could level the playing field with a tax credit and put 1000 skilled Americans to work and get a quality product?
 
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LizKat

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I only provide articles that further my political narrative.
LOL just checking... points for copping to it.

It was once upon a time easier to be middle of the road, it occurred to me one night looking for a citation to back up a leftie's viewpoint, and reading through the stuff to make sure that it didn't have any "on the other hand..." adventures in it. It only took me thirty seconds and two link checks to get there. I'm not all that thrilled that it's getting easier to find pieces without any "on the other hand" insights, whether one's looking to back up a right or a left leaning narrative.