Trump threatens electoral consequences for senators who oppose health bill

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...77740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.a91a615ecf06

    At the lunch, the president also threatened electoral consequences for senators who oppose him, suggesting that Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) could lose his reelection bid next year if he does not back the effort. The president also invited conservative opposition against anyone else who stands in the way.

    “Any senator who votes against starting debate is really telling America that you’re fine with Obamacare,” Trump said.

    But even as Trump’s team tried to work out the policy and political disagreements among members, the president was strong-arming skeptical senators in public. Seated directly to Trump’s right at Wednesday’s lunch was Heller, who is up for reelection in 2018 in a state Democrat Hillary Clinton won.

    “Look, he wants to remain a senator, doesn’t he?” Trump asked, Heller smiling at his side. “Okay, and I think the people of your state, which I know very well, I think they’re going to appreciate what you hopefully will do.”

    After he returned to the Capitol, Heller sized it up this way: “That’s just President Trump being President Trump.”


    Oh that's just DONNY. The interesting thing I found about this quote I pulled is "hopefully." Same language he used with Comey.

    So - joking or not - another sign that points to how trump tries to get his way through threats.
     
  2. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    He should be careful trying to pressure legislators to vote for something the constituents do not want. More and more of his supporters are clued into the fact that they might not be able to just walk into an ER in future and get medical care without coverage they cannot afford. Hospitals are speaking to local press about this already.

    The rest of his supporters apparently want ACA to just go away for whatever reason, usually a shortsighted one if not also selfish, which is a good ol' American option, of course.

    Voters correctly attribute to the GOP House and Senate a clear failure to come up with a viable solution. All the Republicans wanted was a set of numbers that would support a tax cut.

    What Trump wants is...

    I don't know what Trump wants any more. To look Presidential?

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  3. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Well he can't make up on his mind on whether to let the ACA fail or to Repeal it. It changes hourly.
     
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    Conservative writer Rich Lowry has an interesting take on this debacle in Politico. Quote below is his wrap.


    At the end of the day, the most important difference between the parties on health care may be that the Democrats had a vision that they were thoroughly committed to and were astonishingly courageous in effecting. No one had more to lose from sticking with the forced march toward passage of Obamacare than Nancy Pelosi, and yet no one was as devoted to the cause. If she becomes speaker again in 2019 after Republicans—disunited, selfish and fearful—have whiffed on repealing her handiwork, it will be the sweetest revenge.

    Like the Democrats in 2009, Republicans have a historic opportunity that will quickly vanish unless it is seized. A majority is a terrible thing to waste. Six months in, Republicans are giving every indication that is exactly what they might do, to their everlasting disgrace.
     
  5. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    did you mean facts? trump ran on repealing/replacing oclueless care , the ones blocking him are republicans and if you were to step out of the bubble you guys are in it's not going well in other sides of the country that are tired of republicans controlling house & senate and dragging their feet/knuckles while also having their head up their rear end.
     
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    It's easy to see why he can't make up his mind, he has no f*#kn clue what's in the bill nor does he have any interest in it, he just wants it passed.
     
  7. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Just posted excerpts from the NYT interview where he thinks a 21 year old's insurance is $12 a year
     
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    " we have to pass it to see what's in it".................. failure & a heavy TAX on the poor, that was on it......
     
  9. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Have to pass it to see it is a deflection ;) I mean - that's not even the real issue here. The issue is what can be seen has been been terrible.
     
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    hence the reason they are trying to repeal and replace :D
     
  11. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Sometimes Repeal. Sometimes let it fail. Sometimes Repeal. Rinse/Repeat.

    One this is - based on polls - The Donald has made Obamacare Great Again (referring to the fact that Obamacare has a 50% approval and the Senate's bill? Something like 24%). Saw it on GMA
     
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    The issue is that conservatives like Lowry in the piece I cited above are pointing out that Pelosi's likely to get back her Speakership after the 2018 elections. Why? Precisely because she did manage to herd all the Democrats into passing the best shot the Dems could manage re healthcare,,, AND,,,, now Ryan and McConnell can't herd their cats well enough either to repeal it or fix it, never mind pass a tax cut and keep the country from going over a cliff on the debt hike issue.

    The purity of purpose the Republicans speak of with their cut and paste talking points does not paper over the huge fissures in their party over how to govern, now that they have the majority Pelosi had when she and Reid managed to rescue Obama's agenda.

    That's the issue: how to rescue the GOP agenda. They have a majority in House, Senate, they have the White House, and they have a conservative-leaning Supreme Court. And they can't get their signature legislation off the ground. They can't even get on the same page with the president of their own party, who has made a laughingstock of himself and of the USA all over the globe.

    They look like fools having promised to repeal ACA for seven years and now have the power and can't get it done and while they stammer and stutter, their very own constituents throw down with screams of both "Do it!" and "Don't go there!"

    And dodo bird there is not helping by yammering on about how he'd like to fire the Special Counsel, in between insulting the majority leader of the Senate and threatening senators who didn't vote for a bill he doesn't even know what's in it and once upon a time called "weak".

    I could feel bad for some of these guys but I forget which ones, at the moment :p
     
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    GMA? who is that?
     
  14. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Good Morning America
     
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    fake news.

    so trump IS RIGHT.................... failure to act will get the democrats in charge, see? no threat, just facts. :D
     
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    ZZZZzzz. That phrase needs to die.
     
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    then provide a link to an actual news source instead of saying what you heard on a liberal program...........
     
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    Yeah and do you think the party (his party, by the way) wants to hear the President of the United States say that in public? Rumor has it he wants to fire Reince Priebus. Priebus is the kind of guy you keep around to help vet what the prez says in public. Things like Reince said in the South Carolina debate, stuff like how Republicans are coming up with good solutions. Not stuff like what's actually going on, e.g. food fights in the GOP middle school cafeteria lol.

    Trump is always gonna be right for some people no matter how much work it takes.

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    trump won in part because he has no filter doesn't sugar coat crap to make it palatable to others :D
    glad as hell he is telling it like it is but I have the feeling republicans will be happy to lose house OR senate so they can legitimately make excuses as to why they are worthless and can't get things passed " but but but the democrats are blocking because we don't have a majority" blah blah blah. said it a few times, congress needs to get off their ass and WORK.
     
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    Ran into a nicely put together piece from the NYT on how a health care bill's language has to get cleaned up before it can be voted on by the Senate, if the majority leader manages to round up votes for the final language of any of the three versions apparently under consideration.

    None of the bills will come up exactly as now written, because of the requirement the Senate has chosen to operate under, which is to pass an ACA fix as part of budget reconciliation.

    So, the language of the drafts is now being scrubbed for impermissible stipulations under budget reconciliation rules. This is called "the Byrd Bath" as the cleanup function is part of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, chief sponsor of which was the late Sen. Robert Byrd.

    The parliamentarian is who rules on the acceptable language. Expert arguments for the language are submitted by both parties to provide input to her decisions. They support or challenge the provisions in the bill. Sometimes a provision that could be challenged is not argued against, and so may persist into the final bill. (Why do I think that's unlikely for a bill coming out of this Senate...)

    The Times has interviewed a panel of experts and identified seven provisions that may not make the final cut, with indicators of how close they think each decision might be. Pretty interesting.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/...ld-disappear-from-the-senate-health-bill.html

    The rules are complicated, but most come down to a key question: Does the change in the law affect the federal budget? Legislative changes with no budgetary impact are not allowed in reconciliation bills. Items that have a nominal budget impact, but are mostly there for policy reasons, are also supposed to be struck, though that’s a more subjective standard.
    These are the seven provisions that strike the nine experts assembled by the Times as being somewhat unlikely to make it into the final bill drafts.

    Restrictions on abortion coverage
    Provision defunding Planned Parenthood
    A newly permissive state waiver process
    Changes to rules on insurance pricing by age
    Funding for cost sharing reductions
    Elimination of the medical loss ratio rule
    The Cruz amendment​

    Each item is given a graphic in the piece showing its assessed likelihood of staying, being modified or being struck from final drafts.

    The experts, identified at the end of the piece, are specialists in health care policy from the industry, academia, political assessment, budget crunchers...

    • Sarah Binder: professor of political science, George Washington University

    • Bill Dauster: retired, former deputy chief of staff for policy for the Senate majority leader Harry Reid.

    • Sarah Kuehl Egge: senior manager, Washington Council Ernst & Young

    • G. William Hoagland: senior vice president, Bipartisan Policy Center

    • Chris Jacobs: senior health care policy analyst, Texas Public Policy Foundation

    • Gregory Koger: professor, University of Miami

    • Ed Lorenzen: senior adviser, Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

    • Rodney Whitlock: vice president of health policy, ML Strategies, former aide to Senator Grassley of Iowa

    • Billy Wynne: managing partner, TRP Health Policy​
     
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    Ryan did manage to get the bill passed in the House, but just barely.

    McConnell couldn't organize a grade school bake sale if he needed to.
    He likes being in charge, but lacks the political skill to do anything with it.

    Both are treading on thin ice though. I have no sympathy for either of them at all.
    If they can't do the job, step down and get someone in there who can.
     
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    On Ryan's bill: They have to reconcile the two bills if the Senate can even pass one. Ryan would have to fix his side, since the Senate refused to consider the House one as it was passed. Senate tried to start with something they thought Ryan could sell in later to reconcile, I think. That's a heavy lift and Ryan probably cannot pass what the Senate has gone to meanwhile, in trying to get to where only 2 senators oppose it. Even the repeal-only bill can't cut it. The Cruz amendment in the Senate may have been aimed at the House far right conservatives in part, not just to sway certain Senators. But, that language is almost certain to get tossed from even the Senate version as being a policy change and not an appropriations tweak. Setting aside that it's unsustainable, which may have been Cruz' point to begin with.

    It's a mess. It's fitting for something that's meant only to be how to turn reduced health care coverage for the masses into a tax cut for the top tier and not make too many people angry. And 13 guys writing the thing, bypassing markup and hearings: it smacks of rubber stamp parliaments in Middle Eastern emirates. And the Senators are just balking now. That Moran-Lee rejection and three female Senators saying no on a straight repeal, those are tips of icebergs now. All these Senators are getting hammered by their constituents.

    They should start over and take up a bipartisan bill and pass it in regular order like Pelosi suggested. I'm not holding my breath but that's the path out.

    In my opinion what's happening to McConnell is karma for making it an obsession to stand in opposition to Barack Obama for eight years and counting, They say keep your eye on the prize, but he put his focus on a prize unworthy of having landed in a box of cheap teabags.

    Now he's got the reins and the Senate's constituency in total is saying what's in that prize for me? And he has no answer. He's got one porcelain duck there maybe? Repealing ACA was going to be a private prize, something to imagine savoring quietly. Maybe to him it registered as priceless. It will cost at least Ryan the majority if McConnell can't thread the eye of the fix-ACA needle that even God would have trouble driving a camel through at this point. The thing is, Mitch can count votes and it's possible somehow the Senate will pass something and Ryan will jam it through if it affords a tax cut and be damned what it looks like for health care or state budgets or federal ones down the road. I got a word for these guys but it's too long and hits the filters lol.

    EDIT: spelling not my forte today..
     
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    Many of the Repubs against this bill think it doesn't go far enough to remove o-shitcare.
     
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    yes they want to make it projectile diarrhea care
     

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