Trump threatens to pull aid from Puerto Rico

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Some of the amazing work by FEMA in P.R. under those difficult circumstances...

http://www.theroot.com/fema-says-it-s-not-their-job-to-distribute-food-and-wat-1819382926

Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Maria brought devastation to the island of Puerto Rico, people in the town of Aibonito still have not received any food or water from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The reason? FEMA said it’s not their job to distribute food and water to the hurricane victims.
Aibonito is located about an hour and a half from the capital city of San Juan. While previous reports said that supplies were unable to be delivered to victims outside the capital because of roads being blocked, producers ofThe Rachel Maddow Show were able to drive into the town just fine—the roads were clear.
FEMA has been to the town of Aibonito three times, not to deliver supplies, but to help residents in the town fill out paperwork so that they could apply for federal aid. The town still has not received federal aid.

Maddow reported on the situation in Aibonito on Friday. After her report, FEMA officials contacted Maddow and told her they went back to Aibonito over the weekend. During that trip, they still did not bring food or water or supplies to the residents. They met with the mayor so they could “identify the town’s needs and file a report.”
They did, however, tell Maddow that it’s not their job to distribute food and water; it’s the mayor’s job.

“Relief supplies are being delivered to regional staging areas, and mayors are largely responsible for arranging pickup and distribution,” the agency told Maddow.

Maddow, like the rest of us, questioned how mayors of towns like Aibonito are supposed to do that on their own “without vehicles or working phones or fuel.”
Bureaucracy the savior or ultimate killer of Puerto Rico?
 
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It sounds like things are going poorly in PR. Does anybody know how things are going in Houston? I know the geography is different, but the people of PR are just as much US citizens and the people of TX, and yet they seem to be treated worse. Given the attitudes of Trump and many in Congress I can imagine why... It would be nice to reach a point in my feelings about the US that are similar to what I used to feel: pride, not shame.

We need to provide the people of PR immediate necessitates of life, restore their infrastructure, help them with their debt, repeal the laws that making shipping goods to PR so expensive, and stop denying man-made climate change poses a risk (particularly to islands and coastlines). I worry none of this will happen any time soon. The people of PR just aren't the 'right sort' for the GOP President and Congress.
 

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Some of the amazing work by FEMA in P.R. under those difficult circumstances...

http://www.theroot.com/fema-says-it-s-not-their-job-to-distribute-food-and-wat-1819382926





Bureaucracy the savior or ultimate killer of Puerto Rico?
It isn't their job. Their job is to coordinate the federal response by awarding funds, contracts, and engaging with local authorities for preparedness. It doesn't have its own army of trucks, boats, doctors, plumbers, firemen, etc.. It's up to state and local jurisdictions to put the logistics into operation.

FEMA wouldn't even have enough people to distribute the supplies if they wanted to. They employ fewer than 3,000 people to serve the entirety of the United States.
 
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It isn't their job. Their job is to coordinate the federal response by awarding funds, contracts, and engaging with local authorities for preparedness. It doesn't have its own army of trucks, boats, doctors, plumbers, firemen, etc.. It's up to state and local jurisdictions to put the logistics into operation.

FEMA wouldn't even have enough people to distribute the supplies if they wanted to. They employ fewer than 3,000 people to serve the entirety of the United States.
Don’t make excuses for dumbassery.
 

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And now everyone needs to understand the reason PR is on such bad shape to begin with.
They are 120 billion in debt due to poor leadership. Their infrastructure was left to rot by the very government that was supposed to maintain it.
It is not FEMA or the federal government's responsibility to bail our PR.
PR can submit to Congress for financial aid, but that would require and Congress to do something.
Trump is correct... FEMA cannot stay there forever.
POTUS does not control funding, Congress does.
 
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Don’t make excuses for dumbassery.
It's not "dumbassery", it's federal law.
FEMA has limited resources. They cannot stay there forever.
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Stay in Afghanistan damn near 20 years and waste trillions.

Can’t even help Puerto Rico a few weeks...
That is on Congress, not POTUS.
Congress needs to fund any relief or financial aid.
The executive branch doesn't control the $$$, the legislative branch does.
 

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And now everyone needs to understand the reason PR is on such bad shape to begin with.
They are 120 billion in debt due to poor leadership. Their infrastructure was left to rot by the very government that was supposed to maintain it.
It is not FEMA or the federal government's responsibility to bail our PR.
PR can submit to Congress for financial aid, but that would require and Congress to do something.
Trump is correct... FEMA cannot stay there forever.
POTUS does not control funding, Congress does.
Sounds a lot like the mainland.
 

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It's not "dumbassery", it's federal law.
FEMA has limited resources. They cannot stay there forever.
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That is on Congress, not POTUS.
Congress needs to fund any relief or financial aid.
The executive branch doesn't control the $$$, the legislative branch does.
Is POTUS responsible or accountable for anything? I’m assuming just the good stuff, everything else is Congress’ fault
 

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And now everyone needs to understand the reason PR is on such bad shape to begin with.
They are 120 billion in debt due to poor leadership. Their infrastructure was left to rot by the very government that was supposed to maintain it.
You're sort of foisting some of the blame off the shoulders of parties responsible just to victim blame Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico made deals with the devils that were available. Mutual funds ( aka Vampire funds ) offered crap end deals, supported by ideas that the PR gov't thought was good at the time, and mysterious loop holes that no one can figure out who put in, in Congress. To say Puerto Rico is solely to blame for their mess isn't fair, if you are willing to leave out the greed of financial sectors and the crippling by Congress.
 

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Well the good thing is if Trump is dumb enough to pull aid early a lot of Puerto Rican’s will have no choice but to move to the mainland, most likely Florida, where they can vote. And they won’t be voting for Trump in 2020. If Florida becomes a solid blue state instead of a swing state the GOP is in trouble.
 

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You're sort of foisting some of the blame off the shoulders of parties responsible just to victim blame Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico made deals with the devils that were available. Mutual funds ( aka Vampire funds ) offered crap end deals, supported by ideas that the PR gov't thought was good at the time, and mysterious loop holes that no one can figure out who put in, in Congress. To say Puerto Rico is solely to blame for their mess isn't fair, if you are willing to leave out the greed of financial sectors and the crippling by Congress.
Not victim blaming, just showing the reality of the situation.
FEMA is not responsible for repairing PR infrastructure. They are there to assist in emergency efforts.
The same thing applies to Texas and Florida. The state and local governments are responsible for the long term recovery.
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Is POTUS responsible or accountable for anything? I’m assuming just the good stuff, everything else is Congress’ fault
Of course he is.
But POTUS does not control funding, Congress does.
PR needs long term financial aid. POTUS has ZERO say in that matter.
 
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Not victim blaming, just showing the reality of the situation.
FEMA is not responsible for repairing PR infrastructure. They are there to assist in emergency efforts.
The same thing applies to Texas and Florida. The state and local governments are responsible for the long term recovery.
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Of course he is.
But POTUS does not control funding, Congress does.
PR needs long term financial aid. POTUS has ZERO say in that matter.
I was guessing he was. It’s just that if you read these forums then according to the Trumpeters he’s only responsible for the good stuff. Of which it mus be said there hasn’t been much in the what seems like a lifetime of his presidency
 

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And now everyone needs to understand the reason PR is on such bad shape to begin with.
They are 120 billion in debt due to poor leadership. Their infrastructure was left to rot by the very government that was supposed to maintain it.
It is not FEMA or the federal government's responsibility to bail our PR.
PR can submit to Congress for financial aid, but that would require and Congress to do something.
Trump is correct... FEMA cannot stay there forever.
POTUS does not control funding, Congress does.
Understood. But we as a country do need to act now to try and help them. PR's debt, for instance, is not entirely of their own making because US shipping laws increase the price of importing goods to the island. I am not sure what the best way of approaching PR's problems is, but I'd like to see Congress and the POTUS focusing on it (rather than, say, debating about the merits of NFL players taking a knee during the playing of the national anthem). I just don't get the sense that either POTUS or Congress consider PR a priority, but I wish they did. People are committing suicide there because they have lost hope.
 

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Not victim blaming, just showing the reality of the situation.
Which is what I am trying to point out. The reality of the situation, just like the hurricane, the situation Puerto Rico finds itself in is not wholly their fault. There are other factors that played a part that many want to overlook, minimize the role the United States has in Puerto Rico's well being.

Or to vary off a bit & simplify... If the country can make deals with companies/banks/etc to maintain their survivability, it can't do the same for it's own citizenry?
 
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FBI in Puerto Rico investigating if corrupt local officials are 'withholding' or 'mishandling' crucial supplies

I hope these officials rot in a jail cell. :mad:

“The complaints we’re hearing is that mayors of local municipalities, or people associated with their offices, are giving their political supporters special treatment, goods they’re not giving to other people who need them,” FBI Special Agent Carlos Osorio told Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/12/fbi-in-puerto-rico-investigating-if-corrupt-local-officials-are-withholding-or-mishandling-crucial-supplies.html
 

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