Trump Trumps Obama on Cuba

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  1. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Story here.

    "This comes amid concerns that the Cuban military could be the beneficiary of increased American private investment, at a time when Castro has failed to take action on human rights. In 2016, there were 9,940 short-term detentions of protesters, up from 8,899 in 2014, the AP reports."
     
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    Yay, lets go back to half a century of failed policies and support the human rights abuses of the Cuban government by giving them an excuse to blame all their problems on us instead of poor governance.
     
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    The only people this benefits are Cuban Americans who came here fifty years or more ago.
     
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    Glad Trump is doing this, but there are More important things he should be doing. This is like 156th on his to-do list.
     
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    Care to expand on why you are glad he is doing this?
     
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    I don't want 1 red cent going to the Castro regime. Not one.
     
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    Politico says that Trump's Cuba policy was designed in large part by Marco Rubio:

    “What you’ve committed to do on Cuba, what you want to do on Cuba, is never going to come from career staff. It’s going to have to come from the top down. You’re going to have to tell them what to do,” Rubio recalled telling the president as his fellow Miami Republican member of Congress, Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, nodded in agreement.

    “The career service people, in the State Department and Treasury and in other places, are not in favor of changing this policy,” Rubio recalled telling the president.

    That one piece of advice from Rubio probably marks the moment that Trump’s Cuba policy achieved escape velocity, according to interviews with eight officials who helped craft or had knowledge of the drafting of Trump’s Cuba policy as well as correspondence and documents shared with POLITICO.
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    The directive also prohibits U.S. travelers and businesses from generally engaging in most financial transactions with entities owned or substantially controlled by the Cuban military holding company called “Grupo de Administracion Empresarial S.A.,” known as GAESA. Since GAESA has de facto control over nearly every major part of Cuba’s economy — especially restaurants and hotels in Old Havana and along the famed beaches of Varadero — the prohibition would effectively intensify the embargo.

    The GAESA prohibition last surfaced June 3, 2015, when Rubio announced it as a bill called the “Cuban Military Transparency Act.” Weeks later, the House Intelligence Committee introduced a companion at the urging of Diaz-Balart and Miami’s other Cuban-American Republican House members, Carlos Curbelo and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. Though it’s unclear who gets the credit for the original GAESA bill, it became more of Rubio’s central focus in helping Trump formulate his policy.​

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/marco-rubio-donald-trump-cuba-plan-239597

    If I'm reading this right, Rubio's scheme not only puts the embargo back in place, it actually makes it harsher than before. So yeah, we're not just reversing Obama's policies here, we're going farther against Cuba than we ever have.
     
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    :D:D:D :p:eek:
     
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    Fair enough. Unfortunately this policy will just prolong the regime's grip on the country since it will give them something to deflect to and allow them to blame their failures on us instead of themselves.
     
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    Trump was prob denied access to have a Trump hotel, this is prob his payback.
     
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    Meanwhile Trump thinks Saudi Arabia and Russia are great. Such a champion for human rights.
     
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    We can go back to oil guzzling 1950‘s vintage cars too like Cubans drive. Donny and his way back machine. Making America Ancient again.

    Then you will be disappointed by the actions today as Americans are still allowed to go there. (As we should be as free citizens). I'm sure money spent there gets fudged around and still ends up in the government. Same as money spent here. Hard to separate that all out.

    Don't know what the fuss is all about. Castro is stepping down. This was more about Donny throwing red meat to his base and to look like he is doing something besides tweeting.
     
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    What about all the jobs that would have been created here due to increased trade and tourism with Cuba?
     
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    I don't believe it -- Trump has finally found an autocratic regime he doesn't like.
     
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    Must have definitely told him no on any business ventures there. :D
     
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    Probably very few were in Trump owned properties, and he wasn't able to open any new ones in Cuba.
     
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    Donnie never forgets, he always gets even. HRC will be next on the list. :D
     
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    she should have been FIRST. big mistake on his part to let her go.
     
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    That's odd considering all the things Trumpal-thin-skin does that he criticized others for doing. Then there was the time he forget to sign the EO, the time he forgot to salute, another time he forgot Paul Ryan's name, another time when he forgot what country he bombed, then the time he forgot about past Russian-US relations, forgot the the Obama criticisms...
     
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    He doesn't always get even. For instance, he loses a lot of his frivolous lawsuits against people.
     
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    Why do this?​

    Well, for the same reason Trump and the Republicans do anything else.

     
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    We engage China, we engage Russia. What is served by not engaging with Cuba which sits on our doorsteps? How is Cuba a worse communist state in 2017 versus the other two?

    I truly don't understand.
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    Lol! WWADD?
     
  25. Naaaaak macrumors 6502

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    I don't know. Rubio seemed pretty pleased. American-Cubans seem pretty pleased. The video I saw –– that Fake News media refuses to run (because anything positive about Trump breaks the fairy-tale boogeyman image they've concocted of him) –– had much applause.
     

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