Trump University Preyed on Elderly and Uneducated

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  1. Renzatic Suspended

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    By the way, for all you people who think Trump is being targeted unfairly by this case, I've got a Macbook for sale. One of the really good ones. It's $2000 in stores, but I'll sell it to you for $1500. Just Paypal me the money, along with your address, and I'll send it your way.
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    Did I mention it's a really good Macbook? I've added a bunch of gigahertz to it. It's about the best Macbook money can buy!
     
  2. mudslag macrumors regular

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    You're comparing someone trying to improve their life through education with that of a degenerate gambler? That's logical.
     
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    Wanna buy my Macbook?
     
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    do you accept lap dances as payment? I'll be right over.
     
  5. mudslag macrumors regular

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    He does love his uneducated supporters.
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    Only if it comes with the guarantee to be trained by Steve Jobs himself on how to use it.
     
  6. Robisan macrumors 6502

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    Pfft. I have a supplement for sale that will enable people to **** bricks of gold. Give me your moniez and soon you can buy Apple itself.
     
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    I've got something even better than that! STEVE JOBS HIMSELF! He'll teach you how to use it, and berate you for your stupidity when you mess something up! IT'S THE FULL EXPERIENCE!

    ...just make sure you're not holding it wrong, okay? He gets kinda violent if you don't.
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    Look at this grifter! Only suckers and crybabies would buy from this guy!

    All the cool people buy from me. You all want to be cool, don't you? I can make you cool.
     
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    Look at this loser. Settling for being cool. I'll make you RICH! You'll be literally crapping money.
     
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    If you're cool, you'll know how to make yourself rich.

    Don't listen to this mouthbreather, people. I won't overcharge you for pithy advice you could look up yourself on Google in two seconds. I'm selling you a state of being. A means to empower yourself. I will teach you how to be the most you you can be!
     
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    That pretty much is Apple's pitch. Jobs will teach how to entrap and exploit. Why would you consider going through, you know, the actual hard work on offer here? This is the scam of all scams - a get rich quick scheme that actually requires work!! What's the point of that??

    My Trump Dumps are the quick, easy, relieving way to be rich now.
     
  11. bent christian Suspended

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    I know you will defend him on this until the end. Donald Trump is an authoritarian and that impresses the hell out the weakened neo-feudalist mind.

    You are wrong here. Bad logic on your part, or maybe you don't understand your own analogy.

    Casinos have certain rules and regulations they are legally obligated to operate under.

    Educational institutions do as well.

    In the State of New York, institutions calling themselves "Universities" need certain licensing and accreditation. Licensing and accreditation that Trump "University" did not have. This is as misleading as Casinos operating illegally with loaded slots or otherwise skewing the odds outside of what is deemed legally acceptable by governmental bodies. Trump "University" had no right to name themselves as such, and they are being sued for this fraud.
     
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    No. They're being sued for ripping people off for thousands of dollars without providing anything in return.
     
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    I have never defended Trump. On anything.

    No point in reading the rest of your post since you're purposely operating on a false premise.
     
  14. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    I find it odd that you would go after the "greedy fools" who Trump took advantage of while ignoring Trump's own greed. Perhaps he isn't worth as much as he says he is, but between his TV show revenue, all his hotel revenue and revenue from his golf courses and resorts, did he really need to fleece people in the form of a fraudulent "university" scam?

    No, but you can pose for a photo with a cardboard cutout. :D
     
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    I'm not an equivocator who must balance criticism of one with criticism of the other.
     
  16. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, I have noticed that.
     
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    Here's Tyler Durden’s article on the matter:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...0-speech-paid-law-firm-suing-trump-university



    Hillary's Other $225,000 Speech - Paid By Law Firm Suing Trump University

    Donald Trump has undoubtedly made the class action lawsuit against Trump University a campaign issue. For the last several days, he has been on a tear against federal Judge Gonzolo Curiel who is overseeing one of the class action lawsuits against Trump University. In the lawsuit, former students claim that the University and Trump violated federal law by luring them to sign up with false promises and then defrauded them once they handed over their checks.

    LawNewz.com discovered that when it comes to politics, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, the law firm behind the class action lawsuit, is not exactly neutral either.

    Our analysis, using data first compiled by The Washington Post, found that Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd paid the Clintons a total of $675,000 in fees for speeches since 2009. Hillary Clinton gave a $225,000 speech at the law firm as recently as September 4, 2014.

    Bill Clinton also gave a speech for the same fee back in 2013, and another one in 2009 before the firm had been renamed (they used to be called Coughlin Stoia Geller Rudman & Robbins LLP).

    In fact, of the five law firms that paid for the Clintons to speak over the last few years, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd paid out the most money.
     
  18. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    And? I'm impressed that a law firm not used by Donald Trump in his over 3,500 lawsuits was able to be found.
     
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    This calls his integrity into question for me. However, the alternative has long lost any integrity she ever has many times over.
     
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    Mainstream media to trumps daughter " let's talk about your fathers treatment of women".
    Not once have they asked Chelsea of her fathers treatment of women.
     
  21. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    Why would the media ask her that? It's common knowledge inside the bubble that Webster Hubbell is her father.
     
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    That is not correct. In 2005, Trump "University" was contacted by the New York State Education Department informing the organization that they were operating illegally by posing as a university without being licensed as such. Trump "University" refused to change their name for a number of years. The organization finally changed their name to “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative” in 2010, closing soon after. To quote Eric Schneiderman, Attorney General at the time:


    NEW YORK - Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman today announced that he has filed a lawsuit against Donald Trump, The Trump Entrepreneur Institute -- formerly named Trump University LLC (“Trump University”), and Michael Sexton, former President of Trump University for engaging in persistent fraudulent, illegal and deceptive conduct in connection with the operation of Trump University.

    Between 2005 through 2011, Trump University operated as an unlicensed educational institute that promised to teach Donald Trump’s real estate investing techniques to consumers nationwide but instead misled consumers into paying for a series of expensive courses that did not deliver on their promises.

    "More than 5,000 people across the country who paid Donald Trump $40 million to teach them his hard sell tactics got a hard lesson in bait-and-switch," said Attorney General Schneiderman. "Mr. Trump used his celebrity status and personally appeared in commercials making false promises to convince people to spend tens of thousands of dollars they couldn't afford for lessons they never got. No one, no matter how rich or popular they are, has a right to scam hard working New Yorkers. Anyone who does should expect to be held accountable."

    The petition filed in New York Supreme Court in Manhattan by Attorney General Schneiderman details the advertisements run by Trump University in major newspapers across the country and the direct mail solicitations sent to entice consumers to attend a free workshop. These ads prominently displayed Donald Trump’s photograph and signature, or were styled as letters written by Trump himself. The advertisements were replete with false claims, including claims that consumers would learn “from Donald Trump’s handpicked instructor a systematic method for investing in real estate that anyone can use.” Other ads promised “my handpicked instructors will share my techniques” or “learn from my hand-picked expert” and “just copy exactly what I’ve done and get rich.”

    An investigation by Attorney General Schneiderman revealed that Donald Trump did not handpick even a single instructor at these seminars and had little or no role in developing any of the Trump University curricula, or seminar content. The investigation also revealed that officials used the name “Trump University” even though they lacked the charter necessary under New York law to call themselves a University. They were also unlicensed under New York State Education Law, evading an array of legal protections designed to protect New Yorkers from fraud.

    Even though Trump University was notified by the New York State Education Department (“NYSED”) as early as 2005 that these practices violated New York law, Trump University did not change its name until May 2010 and never received a license to operate in the state. As a result, many students believed they were attending a University, when they were not. This misconception was reinforced by Trump University’s use of a University-like seal on much of its material and awarding diploma-like Certificates of Completion bearing Donald Trump’s signature.

    Despite Trump University’s advertised claims, consumers attending free seminars did not learn Donald Trump’s real estate techniques. Instead, Trump University’s instructors made multiple misrepresentations to convince consumers to sign up for a $1,495 three-day seminar. These misrepresentations included false claims about the three-day seminars such as:

    • consumers would learn “everything [they] need[ed] to know” to become successful real estate investors;
    • consumers would quickly recoup their investment by doing real estate deals, with some instructors claiming that consumers would earn tens of thousands of dollars within thirty days;
    • instructors were “handpicked” by Donald Trump;
    • consumers would be taught Donald Trump’s very own real estate strategies and techniques;
    • consumers would receive access to private sources of financing (“hard money lenders”); and
    • the three-day seminar would include a year-long “Apprenticeship Support” program.
    Instructors also insinuated Donald Trump himself would appear at the three-day seminar.

    In reality, many of the promises made at the free seminars went unfulfilled. Despite claims to the contrary, consumers who paid for and attended the three-day seminars were not taught everything they needed to know about real estate investing. For example, consumers did not receive substantive instruction on how to raise money from hard money lenders or receive an extensive “apprenticeship support” program. Instead of providing the sustained support promised by Trump University’s instructors, consumers were provided a list of lenders from a commercially available magazine. Instead of a personal appearance from Donald Trump as some consumers were led to expect, some participants got their photographs taken with a life-size photo of Mr. Trump.

    Instead of providing all of the promised services, instructors used the three-day seminars to pitch consumers an expensive Trump Elite mentorship programs costing $10,000 to $35,000. Trump University promised that the mentorships provided one-on-one training during which students would have personal assistance until they executed their first real estate deal and recouped the cost of the program. While consumers were encouraged to call their credit card companies during breaks, to increase their credit limits to have access to funds to do real estate deals, the real reason Trump University asked consumers to request higher credit limits was so they could use the credit to pay for the expensive Elite programs.

    Many consumers who made the costly investments did not receive the individual mentor attention promised. After an initial three-day session, many mentors failed to return phone calls or emails and provided little to no follow-up assistance. Despite diligent efforts, many consumers were unable to conclude even a single real estate deal and were left worse off than they had been before enrolling in the Trump University programs. Some consumers faced thousands of dollars of debt due to the expensive cost of the Elite Programs. Many felt they had been victims of an elaborate scam.

    Trump University also committed violations of federal consumer protection law. Federal law provides a three business-day right of cancellation for the type of purchases at issue here, but Trump University repeatedly failed to honor consumers’ timely requests to cancel.

    The lawsuit seeks full restitution for the more than 5,000 consumers nationwide who were defrauded of over $40 million in the scheme, disgorgement of profits, as well as costs and penalties and injunctive relief prohibiting these types of illegal practices going forward.

    http://www.ag.ny.gov/press-release/...niversity-michael-sexton-defrauding-consumers
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    You are defending Trump "University", equating it to a casino and implying that this is a "buyer beware" situation.

    In fact, Trump "University" was openly and brazenly deceptive and acting illegally from the very beginning. The initial fraud being the use of "university" in the organization's name.
     
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    You're quoting a press release from the NYS AG's office. Of course they are going to make all sorts of allegations. The real question is what they can prove. I'm not defending Trump, so don't misunderstand, but Schneiderman is well known for, shall we say, novel theories on the law, and if he's alleging fraud, that's a high evidentiary bar to meet. Keep in mind this is same guy who wants to sue Exxon Mobil and other energy companies for shareholder fraud under RICO statutes because he doesn't like what they publish about climate change.
     
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    ....Seriously?

    It wasn't licensed, and still operated for years as if it was. There is no disputing that.
     
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    Oh, brother. What a jackal in a suit.
     

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