Trump wants a total ban on German luxury car imports

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  1. Morpheo macrumors 65816

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    US President Donald Trump wants to escalate his trade war to include a total ban on German luxury cars, says a report in WirtschaftsWoche. According to the German publication, which says its report results from talking to several unnamed US and European diplomats, during French President Macron's recent visit to Washington, Trump told him that he would "maintain his trade policy until no Mercedes models rolled on Fifth Avenue in New York."

    LOL (...sort of).

    Does this moron even know that about 800,000 Mercedes and BMWs are built IN THE U.S each year?? The number of imported cars is most likely irrelevant. Trump is so stupid it gets upsetting.


    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/trump-wants-a-total-ban-on-german-luxury-car-imports/
     
  2. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    From plants to suppliers on contract, you're looking at around a half million jobs. This doesn't count for the reduced profit from the likes of Good Year, Borg Warner, Dunlop, Castrol, Chevron, etc. or even third-party production builders to put out enough cars.

    Never mind the fact that the Accord and Camry are built in the US with 90% US sourced hardware versus a Ford from Mexico.
     
  3. WarHeadz macrumors 6502a

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    Beautiful. Keep up all the winning Republicans!
     
  4. cube macrumors P6

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    How many German-designed CPUs do you see in American PCs?
     
  5. j.dstasio macrumors 6502

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    It's astonishing how clueless Trump actually is. I have a good friend who works at the Mercedes plant near Tuscaloosa Alabama. Those "foreign" jobs are easily the best paying blue collar jobs around that area. The plant opening almost immediately raised the local standard of living. I'm sure the scenario is similar in places like Spartanburg, SC with BMW and Volkswagen in Tennessee.
     
  6. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

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    Wow, reading this statement just lowered my IQ by 20 points. Pretty much every major car manufacturer worldwide localized their production because it’s generally more cost effective to import parts/raw materials then fully assembled cars that are 1) heavy and 2) take up lots of space.
     
  7. AustinIllini macrumors demi-goddess

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    I have given the GOP a ton of crap, but this is Trump going off the reservation. The German carmakers build a TON of their cars in red districts in red states.
     
  8. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    You threaten the top, bargain to where you need to get to with equality. I don’t see what’s so difficult understanding Trump. Kudos to a President who wants fair trade between nations. I will however knock him for not realizing a Chevy was a Vauxhall until recently.
     
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    That is simplyfing it way to much. In many cases it is just done for legal reason.

    -For example selling cars in China was only possible if you have a joint venture and produce there as well.

    -Also for a lot of cases cars are completely assembled in in country then taken apart again, transported across a border and then re-assembled.

    -For a lot of parts there is a big dependency on suppliers:
    Without the likes of Bosch, Magna, Denso, ZF, Continental not a lot of cars make it of assembly lines.

    -weight and space is not really that relevant in the transport part. Processes are more important:

    For example let’s start with a crankshaft for a BMW Mini:
    1. Initially created in France
    2. Transported across the channel.
    3. Further refined by a UK specialist supplier.
    4. Transported over the channel and trucked to Austria.
    5. Put into engine at the BMW engine plant in Steyr
    6. Engine transported back to the Netherlands where the Mini cars assembled by VDL Nedcar, a contract assembler
    7. Car actually gets shipped to Spain.

    Edit: actual fun fact: the biggest car exporters of the US by value are actually non US brands.
    Totally US car exports 2017: 50 billions US dollars
    Total BMW US car exports: 10 billions dollars


    Jump you read that correctly BMW is currently the leading car exporter of the US by value.
     
  10. cube macrumors P6

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    How many military aircraft has the US bought from Europe?
     
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    Yep. That’s why I don’t think he’ll follow through on this one.
     
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    I stopped being astonished by his gross lack of intelligence a long long time ago.... now I’m astonished that some people actually still support him!
     
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    a) GM had for the past 30 years done everything in their power to sabotage their European leg till they sold if of to the French
    b) GM did for time try to sell Chevrolet branded Korean cars here (as part of a) ...), problem is they were well below quality wise to every other budget brand
    c) "proper" Chevrolets don't fit European streets, and even if they would, who outside of a few US-car freaks would want to deal with ultra low mileage, low quality and no dealer network? Heck bringing a Chevy into a normal garage would cause trouble for no one knowing anything bout them or not having odd-sized tools and bolts at hand.


    Or in short, if GM were to build quality cars Europeans actually want AND would care for proper service, then the they might carve out a small niche.
     
  14. shinji macrumors 65816

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    If the reason Germans weren't buying American luxury cars were due primarily to tariffs, I would agree.

    But even American buyers prefer German luxury cars. And it's hard to accept Trump's complaint about Mercedes rolling down Fifth Avenue,when 1) he himself owns three of them https://autowise.com/donald-trumps-most-unusual-car-collection/ and 2) lived on Fifth Avenue.
     
  15. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    This has nothing to do with cars, it has to do with metal tariffs. What product uses a lot of metal? Bingo!
     
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    It's a power play, but I can't believe any of Trump's advisers or any of the top GOP officials can want this to happen.
     
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    God they must get so weary of having to play bit parts for stunt credits (if that) in his reality TV version of how to run an American government. Yet they let him roll on. He's incorrigible.

    But I suspect Trump's just still high as a kite off last night's Nashville rally...

    ...and the fact that its "vast" audience of around 5k was initially under-reported by media as around a thousand. Fake news, no, but a mistake anyhow. Probably a gleefully retracted one, who knows. "Oh, you noticed? Sorry, we'll fix that right up... in a few hours."

    There's a lot of tit-for-tat going on these days with reporters v Trump. He asks for it.
    Still we can predict that if his brilliant idea about banning import of German luxury cars ricochets and ends up with the closure of the VW plant in Tennessee, his next swell rally may be located someplace out in Wyoming where all they make is trout and mine tailings.
     
  18. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    Probably not. This move is aggressive, even for him. With metal tariffs going into affect tonight, he wants to pressure the auto industry double. Those auto companies are going to make ALOT of noise to their government. It’s a slimey move IMO, doubling down but I guess he feels it will work.
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    Don’t jump off a cliff yet. Do you realize the expense VW would have to consume to make that happen? It’s easier to pressure your government.
     
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    The best thing to hope for is that Trump can be assisted to discover a really great reason not to apply the tariffs... and to be helped to write the tweet that announces his genius solution to the problems he will deny he was creating. Tick tock, I hope someone's working on it right now.
     
  20. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    He is equalizing the playing field. Why would you not want to have equal trade?
     
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    more Art of the Deal ... it wasn’t all in the book.
     
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    Would hurting German car makers also hurt the red states? Hold on people Trump is on to something here!
     
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    What equal trade? Europe is dependent on the US.
     

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