Trump's First World-Changing Decision

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  1. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    Up until now, it's all been changes at the margins -- modifying or removing some of Obama's executive orders, trying to modify existing immigration laws, increasing our military presence where it already exists, calling down a few new strikes here and there. Or, it's been pushing poorly thought out, poorly written, and ineffectively supported legislation into Congress, which will probably never see the light of day.

    But this week, Trump is finally going to do something which will change America, and the entire world, in a significant and long-lasting manner. He's going to withdraw the US from the Paris Climate Accord:

    President Donald Trump is planning to pull the United States out of the Paris climate change agreement, according to a White House official, in a move that is certain to infuriate America’s allies across the globe and could destabilize the 2015 accord.

    The upcoming decision is a victory for hardliners such as senior White House adviser Stephen Bannon, who argued that the deal would hobble the U.S. economy and Trump’s energy agenda, and a defeat for moderates like Trump’s daughter Ivanka, who feared that withdrawing would damage U.S. relations abroad. Trump had promised during the campaign to “cancel” the nearly 200-nation agreement, the most comprehensive climate pact ever negotiated.​

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/31/trump-paris-climate-change-agreement-238974

    Up to this point, I think most of the damage Trump has done could be salvaged fairly quickly by the next administration. But this is something that will have repercussions for years (if not decades) to come...
     
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    freaking LOVE IT, the more we piss off the Europeans the less support we have to endlessly wage war. Got trump go :D
     
  3. zin macrumors 6502

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    Not much to be gained from the agreement, regardless. It's a non-binding agreement that relies on each country to specify how much they wish to contribute. The projected reduction in global temperatures over the century is 0.2 C (no change to the UN IPCC baseline from 2000) which is laughably ridiculous, given that you cannot reliably project this figure over around 80 years.

    The Paris Deal is a political deal, not a climate deal, that involves the transfer of wealth from rich nations to poor nations and to large corporations[1, Article 2]:

    Translation: we support handouts to corporations to fulfil vague sustainability goals.
     
  4. Zenithal macrumors 68040

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    Donald just need some good old-fashioned American cofveve.

    :rolleyes:
     
  5. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    that is why Exxon supports it. from link
     
  6. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    stats just stupid really it is. your post is ju
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  7. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    stupid is waging war w/o declarations, stupid is borrowing money to stay at war, stupid is propping up dictators and removing them at will resulting in millions displaced from their countries, stupid is doubling down & not learning after turning Libya into a hell hole, the clown you supported is indeed stupid. hell he obviously sold out since as noted the major oil CO's are the ones who support staying in the agreement.
     
  8. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    this has to do with pollution how?
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  9. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    why don't you try reading the ENTIRE post? maybe then you might get it.
     
  10. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    I did you went off on a rant about war. as usual you go off the rails never change.
     
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    you said "Stupid" and so I pointed out Obama's stupidity.
    and since you can't get pass that to the end of the post here is the relevant part
     
  12. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    so someone says stupid it triggers your oboma response? pavlov anyone??? yes you added one line after how many of the ranting??? really you need to dump the war and oboma everyone and get back on topic.

    blah blah blah
    valid
     
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    is Obama stupid? = yes, still on topic while you are deflecting.
     
  14. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    If it's non-binding just stay in it. Leaving the accord will result in a bigger fall out then doing nothing. Hell, he has been harping on about NATO, tell the other NATO countries that the US will pull it's weight on the Paris accord when other countries pull theirs on NATO. Until then we'll do what we can.
     
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    We'll be the selfish, myopic villains , until Supreme Leader is sent on his way, and then we can hope he's not replaced by the likes of Scott Pruit (Sec of EPA and climate change denier). The problem is the USA has a lot of these business oriented individuals in or willing to jump into leadership positions that for the sake of maximizing their profits, and regarding the environment? Pff, we have bottled water, air conditioners, stilts for our houses, and... gas masks. Oh, and trees are overrated.. :oops::oops:
     
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    it's an agreement supported by major oil CO's...............does that not make you question it?
     
  17. Zenithal macrumors 68040

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    That's not how the line of succession works.
     
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    Ah but politics affects perception and ultimately policy. If everyone starts saying "eh, they don't care about climate change, why should I?" where does that leave us?

    I swear the stupid humans like Trump on this planet will be the demise of our species. One could say this wasn't enough to do anything about the problem, but doing nothing does even less.
     
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    I literally have no words. The fact we have an administration that denies years of science and research on climate change is astonishing.

    What is worse there are people who are supporting Trump's decisions.

    The whole world basically signed this agreement and agent orange comes along and ruins that. All for his buddies in the oil industry.

    Our lakes and rivers will be like India and China in a few years. Full of trash and waste.
     
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    supported by major oil CO's...................
     
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    And hopefully with a lot of the major polluters supporting staying in we will hit most of our targets anyway. If that happens it is probably for the best since it works to remove the US from a leadership position in the world.
     
  22. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    yes I am sure major oil CO's support it because they have nothing to gain...........o_O
     
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    Welp, there goes any chance of the US continuing to be a world-leader in technology and innovation.
     
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    So...the USA is now going to be the lonely nation on top....what could go wrong?

    If we haven't lost legitimacy as a world moral leader over the last 40 years (self proclaimed, anyway) this pretty much puts the USA as a de facto rogue nation on the world stage.
     
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    how so?
     

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