Trump's Hypocrisy. Why Some Still Support Him?

iMi

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Prior to being installed as President, Trump often criticized President Barack Obama for playing too much golf.


Plus at least 27 tweets criticizing or making fun of Barack Obama for golfing.

Truth: Trump has played more golf than any president preceding him. In fact, he spends 1 out of 4 days in office at one of his many golf properties. That's a rate of more than twice of the previous President (Obama averages about a round of golf every 9 days).

Trump criticized Obama for taking too many vacations. He said he would not be taking vacations and his administration would not be "big on vacations." Obama actually ranks fairly low on number of leisure days. His predecessor, for example, took more than 4 times the number of vacation days during the eight years in office.


At least a dozen more tweets directly criticizing Obama.

Truth: Trump has already taken three times as many vacation days (as of August alone) as Obama did during his presidency. G.W. Bush ranks the highest at 1,020 days (compared to 328 days for Obama after him and 345 days for Clinton before him). Trump will average about the same as G.W. Bush if the trend continues.

Trump often tweeted about the cost of Obama's presidency and last September he sharply criticized Obama saying that the President was "wasting tax payers money" on personal travel and vacations.

Truth: Trump is on track to spend the entire eight year travel budget of the Obama Administration in less than one year... Obama spent $97 million over the course of his entire (successful, I may add) Presidency. In fact, the estimates were low. Trump has already spent $147 million after only 9 months in office on personal travel. That's 1.5x the 8 year budget of the previous President in just 9 months in office. Most of that money is spend at locations he owns. Let that sink in...

Let's recap:

  1. He's going to be so busy working for you that he will not be able to golf. Golfs more than any other president to date.
  2. He's going to be so busy fixing Washington, he'll have no time for vacations. Takes more vacation than his predecessor and almost all other modern presidents (except one other Republican).
  3. He's going to reduce spending and waste. On track to be the most expensive president we've ever had by a wide margin (and is doing so while profiting from these expenditures).

There are many here who strongly support Trump. Reading through the forum, it's clear that they don't see him as a liar and a con artist. They often defend him and claim his failures are because of Democrats obstructing (the irony here cannot be understated by the way). Politicians talk. A lot. We all know that, so the best way to judge a politician is by his actions. And his alone.

So, this thread is about Trump's personal promises to the American people. The issues outlined above, where he clearly lied and made false promises, are choices that he controls 100%. No one could reasonably make an argument that these broken promises are the result of Democrats giving him a hard time. This is all Trump...

How can you still defend Trump and say he's working for the American people?
Why do you still support him and believe he's doing what he promised?

Genuine questions. Please share your thoughts.
 

Huntn

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Among his minions (whose numbers seems to be shrinking) he’s the Teflon Don, unaccountable for his huge pool of deficiencies and sinister actions- hypocracy, insecurity, lies, unstable, corruption, self admitted sexual predator, inconsistent, deception, self serving, misstatements, likes playing Chicken internationally, Wild Man, can’t resist hitting back, conducts foreign policy via tweets, etc, etc, etc, because he’s a good BSer. :oops::mad::(

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America under Trump leadership
We need to fire the conductor before we get to the bridge. Are we already on the bridge?

Although I was/am dismayed by Trump’s election, there maybe a silver lining to this, the GzOP kills the ACA, institutes National Debt accelerating tax cuts, and allows the wild man to rampage long enough before his impeachment, that he takes them down with him.
 

edk99

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Prior to being installed as President, Trump often criticized President Barack Obama for playing too much golf.

So, this thread is about Trump's personal promises to the American people. The issues outlined above, where he clearly lied and made false promises, are choices that he controls 100%. No one could reasonably make an argument that these broken promises are the result of Democrats giving him a hard time. This is all Trump...

How can you still defend Trump and say he's working for the American people?
Why do you still support him and believe he's doing what he promised?

Genuine questions. Please share your thoughts.
Your post lacks sources. Can you please post all sources for all your "Truths" where he lied.
 

juanm

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Prior to being installed as President, Trump often criticized President Barack Obama for playing too much golf.


Plus at least 27 tweets criticizing or making fun of Barack Obama for golfing.

Truth: Trump has played more golf than any president preceding him. In fact, he spends 1 out of 4 days in office at one of his many golf properties. That's a rate of more than twice of the previous President (Obama averages about a round of golf every 9 days).

Trump criticized Obama for taking too many vacations. He said he would not be taking vacations and his administration would not be "big on vacations." Obama actually ranks fairly low on number of leisure days. His predecessor, for example, took more than 4 times the number of vacation days during the eight years in office.


At least a dozen more tweets directly criticizing Obama.

Truth: Trump has already taken three times as many vacation days (as of August alone) as Obama did during his presidency. G.W. Bush ranks the highest at 1,020 days (compared to 328 days for Obama after him and 345 days for Clinton before him). Trump will average about the same as G.W. Bush if the trend continues.

Trump often tweeted about the cost of Obama's presidency and last September he sharply criticized Obama saying that the President was "wasting tax payers money" on personal travel and vacations.

Truth: Trump is on track to spend the entire eight year travel budget of the Obama Administration in less than one year... Obama spent $97 million over the course of his entire (successful, I may add) Presidency. In fact, the estimates were low. Trump has already spent $147 million after only 9 months in office on personal travel. That's 1.5x the 8 year budget of the previous President in just 9 months in office. Most of that money is spend at locations he owns. Let that sink in...

Let's recap:

  1. He's going to be so busy working for you that he will not be able to golf. Golfs more than any other president to date.
  2. He's going to be so busy fixing Washington, he'll have no time for vacations. Takes more vacation than his predecessor and almost all other modern presidents (except one other Republican).
  3. He's going to reduce spending and waste. On track to be the most expensive president we've ever had by a wide margin (and is doing so while profiting from these expenditures).

There are many here who strongly support Trump. Reading through the forum, it's clear that they don't see him as a liar and a con artist. They often defend him and claim his failures are because of Democrats obstructing (the irony here cannot be understated by the way). Politicians talk. A lot. We all know that, so the best way to judge a politician is by his actions. And his alone.

So, this thread is about Trump's personal promises to the American people. The issues outlined above, where he clearly lied and made false promises, are choices that he controls 100%. No one could reasonably make an argument that these broken promises are the result of Democrats giving him a hard time. This is all Trump...

How can you still defend Trump and say he's working for the American people?
Why do you still support him and believe he's doing what he promised?

Genuine questions. Please share your thoughts.
Because at this point they just cannot admit they were wrong in voting for a petty, incompetent, ignorant liar.

Edit: I forgot entitled, privileged, spoiled.
 

MadeTheSwitch

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There are many here who strongly support Trump.
Is that still the case anymore? It seems like most of those people who praised him around election time are pretty silent now. I think he has lost a lot of support.

Sure, there are a few holdouts here, but those are mostly people who take glee in thinking he is sticking it to Democrats (when he really is shooting himself in the foot) or people that just "support" him as some sort of joke.

I think even the most ardent Trump supporter here understands there are problems with him. Understand he tweets too much and isn't a very effective leader. All he seems to be is a bully-in-chief and a whiner-in-chief. When you go on the attack against a widow, that's pretty low.
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Beats Hillary in office.
He really doesn't, but even if that were true, wouldn't you rather have someone else? Do you really want someone who goes on the attack against a widow representing and speaking for you?

The Hillary hate seems to have blinded some people to just how horrible Trump is. I get the impression that nuclear bombs could rain down on you and your final thoughts would be "at least he wasn't Hillary!" That's not only unreasonable, it's simply not good enough.
 

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He really doesn't, but even if that were true, wouldn't you rather have someone else? Do you really want someone who goes on the attack against a widow representing and speaking for you?

The Hillary hate seems to have blinded some people to just how horrible Trump is. I get the impression that nuclear bombs could rain down on you and your final thoughts would be "at least he wasn't Hillary!" That's not only unreasonable, it's simply not good enough.
Someone else, sure. I didn't vote for him in the primary.

Anyone but Hillary. Had there been a better candidate than Hillary, I might have voted Democrat.
 
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Someone else, sure. I didn't vote for him in the primary.

Anyone but Hillary. Had there been a better candidate than Hillary, I might have voted Democrat.
If there is an attempt to primary Trump in 2020 will you support that challenger as long as it isn’t Hillary?
 

mac_in_tosh

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Trump has to take all those vacations because, as he promised, he is tired of so much winning. ;)

But Trump is benefiting financially from those vacations. Just one example from a recent article:

Secret Service paid Mar-a-Lago at least $63,000, documents show.


The U.S. Secret Service paid tens of thousands of dollars to President Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club in the span of a few months, according to documents obtained by CNN.

The expense forms show that taxpayer dollars have flowed into Trump's private club as a result of his repeated visits to the so-called Winter White House...


http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/12/news/secret-service-mar-a-lago/index.html
 

MadeTheSwitch

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Someone else, sure. I didn't vote for him in the primary.

Anyone but Hillary. Had there been a better candidate than Hillary, I might have voted Democrat.
Still scratching my head at comments like these. You had a worse candidate than Hillary in the race who is now our President.

(Slow golf clap)

I think any negatives Hillary had are countered by an equivalent Trump negative.

Lies and hides things? Trump does that too.
Mishandling of classified data? Trump passed on info to Russians while they were in Oval Office.
Benghazi? Looks like Trump has one of his own brewing.

At least with Hillary we wouldn't have had someone tweeting crap all the time and attacking gold star families.
 

iMi

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Beats Hillary in office.
Deflecting. Articulate your support in light of all the lies stated above. Again, these are issues he has 100% control over and have nothing to do with Democrats.

How does this beat Hillary in office? Her record is pretty well documented. Before you mentioned Benghazi, cue Niger. And before you scream emails, be ready to explain why Kushner and Ivanka, both official staff (one of them with security clearance) have and still use private email server for official government business.

Really. Stop the ********, empty comments. Articulate your point.
 

webbuzz

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Deflecting. Articulate your support in light of all the lies stated above. Again, these are issues he has 100% control over and have nothing to do with Democrats.
As opposed to your normal screed?

How does this beat Hillary in office? Her record is pretty well documented. Before you mentioned Benghazi, cue Niger. And before you scream emails, be ready to explain why Kushner and Ivanka, both official staff (one of them with security clearance) have and still use private email server for official government business.
Really. Stop the ********, empty comments. Articulate your point.
I didn't mention any of those, you did.
 

ericgtr12

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A Republican, yes.
Romney, McCain, Rubio, etc., I get it but Trump? Historically speaking it's just the natural shift in power, that said they've chosen the absolute worst possible person in every way imaginable. He's now the lowest polled president in recent history, has accomplished nothing legislatively and his biggest legacy so far seems to be sewing hate and division.

Republicans, 2020 is your chance to get a sane and experienced candidate, you would be crazy not to primary him.
 

edk99

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Trump has to take all those vacations because, as he promised, he is tired of so much winning. ;)

But Trump is benefiting financially from those vacations. Just one example from a recent article:

Secret Service paid Mar-a-Lago at least $63,000, documents show.


The U.S. Secret Service paid tens of thousands of dollars to President Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club in the span of a few months, according to documents obtained by CNN.

The expense forms show that taxpayer dollars have flowed into Trump's private club as a result of his repeated visits to the so-called Winter White House...


http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/12/news/secret-service-mar-a-lago/index.html
This is no different then Joe Biden charging rent for the secret service. It is against the law to "gift" government officials things like free rent or hotel stays.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/31/biden-charging-secret-service-cottage-rental/
 
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iMi

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Your post lacks sources. Can you please post all sources for all your "Truths" where he lied.
With pleasure.

I just assumed this is somewhat common knowledge. President's whereabouts are public knowledge (afterwards, not prior to engagement due to security concerns). You can literally look at his schedule online. Any other president, too.

It's funny how Trump supporters demand "sources" and assume anything against their great leader is "fake news" but then spread blatant lies without batting an eye. You guys are amazing.

Here are your sources:

Truth: Trump has played more golf than any president preceding him. In fact, he spends 1 out of 4 days in office at one of his many golf properties. That's a rate of more than twice of the previous President (Obama averages about a round of golf every 9 days).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/03/by-end-of-august-trump-will-have-spent-three-times-as-many-days-at-leisure-as-obama/?utm_term=.3e9026b67b9a

Feel free to go through presidential schedules. I don't have time for it and believe Washington Post counted them right. No one challenged their math, although you're welcome to.

Truth: Trump has already taken three times as many vacation days (as of August alone) as Obama did during his presidency. G.W. Bush ranks the highest at 1,020 days (compared to 328 days for Obama after him and 345 days for Clinton before him). Trump will average about the same as G.W. Bush if the trend continues.

http://www.factcheck.org/2014/08/presidential-vacations/

Doesn't count "working vacations" which is just ********.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/04/politics/donald-trump-vacation-obama/index.html

Vacation at this point in Presidency (as of August)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/08/28/fact-check-presidential-vacations/14730083/

Well cited total vacation time, including time spent at presidential retreats.

Truth: Trump is on track to spend the entire eight year travel budget of the Obama Administration in less than one year... Obama spent $97 million over the course of his entire (successful, I may add) Presidency. In fact, the estimates were low. Trump has already spent $147 million after only 9 months in office on personal travel. That's 1.5x the 8 year budget of the previous President in just 9 months in office. Most of that money is spend at locations he owns. Let that sink in...

Obama's travel costs.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/

Trump travel estimates based on best data available so far... well documented. There are dozens or so articles that piece together a number of officially reported expenses. It's not hard to find.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-familys-elaborate-lifestyle-a-logistical-nightmare--at-taxpayer-expense/2017/02/16/763cce8e-f2ce-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?utm_term=.6ee5c12f20ac
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Never mind the tweets, how bout that little matter of trying to get us into a war with N. Korea? If for no other reason, ANYONE would have been a better choice than Chump for his complete lack of diplomacy.
We already have a former Republican President who's a war criminal.

Trump sure has been a boon to Bush and his administration. Somehow everyone forgot about the G.W. Bush administration fabricating evidence to start a war with a sovereign state that, as evidence would later show, presented no credible treat to the United States. Evidence was not just "misinterpreted" but fabricated.

If that's not enough. Torture is still illegal under international law. There is a lot of evidence that torture was carried out and sanctioned by Bush administration.

But hey... Prospects of nuclear war with N. Korea makes all these seem like a minor disagreement.
 

rdowns

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With pleasure.

I just assumed this is somewhat common knowledge. President's whereabouts are public knowledge (afterwards, not prior to engagement due to security concerns). You can literally look at his schedule online. Any other president, too.

It's funny how Trump supporters demand "sources" and assume anything against their great leader is "fake news" but then spread blatant lies without batting an eye. You guys are amazing.

They demand sources for things that are common knowledge because the news they watch does not report on these things.