Trump's latest beef, Austrailia

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  1. MacNut macrumors Core

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    To quote the great Gene Rayburn from Match Game, "Dumb Donald is so dumb, he once blanked the whole country with his small blank and everyone had to hide under their desks."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/us/politics/us-australia-trump-turnbull.html?_r=0
     
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    1250 pre vetted refugees... not recycled gitmo prisoners.

    Australia long has had its policy that no immigration by boat is allowed, period... to minimize human trafficking. When they are detected trying to come onshore they are detained on offshore islands. Australia makes arrangements with other nations to accept them as refugees after proper vetting as such. The camps on the two islands had become overcrowded and conditions were becoming inhumane.

    "Give me your tired, your poor...." etc. Are we in the US still not behind that lady with the lamp in the harbor, not still there for refugees like so many of us were?

    Even economic "refugees" looking for a better life, where would we have been without them to build what we take for granted now as our country? These 1250 were figured into our agreed immigration quotas, what was wrong with that arrangement? Nothing.
     
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    Great job, America. In 4 years our only ally would be is Russia. Smh!
     
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    LOL and even Russia has the brains not to call terrorists "Islamic terrorists":

    During his campaign, Mr. Trump associated Islam with terrorism and criticized President Obama for declining to use the phrase “radical Islamic terrorism.”

    However, Mr. Putin, whom Mr. Trump so openly admires for his toughness, has, for more than a decade, done exactly what President Obama did. He has never described terrorists as “Islamic” and has repeatedly gone out of his way to denounce such language.

    “I would prefer Islam not be mentioned in vain alongside terrorism,” he said at a news conference in December, answering a question about the Islamic State, a group he often refers to as “the so-called Islamic State,” to emphasize a distinction with the Islamic religion.

    At the opening of a mosque in Moscow in 2015, Mr. Putin spoke of terrorists who “cynically exploit religious feelings for political aims.”

    In the Middle East, Mr. Putin said at the mosque opening, “terrorists from the so-called Islamic State are compromising a great world religion, compromising Islam, sowing hatred, killing people, including clergy,” and added that “their ideology is built on lies and blatant distortions of Islam.”

    He was careful to add, “Muslim leaders are bravely and fearlessly using their own influence to resist this extremist propaganda.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-terrorism.html
     
  7. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah it's real awesome to alienate all our allies one by one. :rolleyes:
     
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    LOL! Is there anyone Trump hasn't pissed off (aside from his groveling sycophants, I mean)?

    Three months after the election and two weeks into the job and he's still bragging about his victory and picking fights. Turnbull will not, I'm sure, be the only world leader to arouse Trump's royal displeasure. Nice to see a real leader standing up to one of Donald's tantrums.
     
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    Trump's falling out with the Australian PM is just another symptom that the Age of Reason might very well be replaced by the Age of Blind Anger. Seriously – what US official, let alone a President, would have a beef with Australia? Honestly, if Trump reneges on this agreement, then I could see Australia denying visas to US citizens.

    EDIT: Anybody remember a movie called Canadian Bacon? *cough*
     
  10. Robstevo macrumors 6502

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    People don't realise how much harm 4 years can bring to diplomatic relations.

    Europe is pretty much gone ( you know 600 million people etc)

    China is gone( because the trade war that is going to happen)

    Australia is gone, we are already in bed with the Chinese.

    Basically it seems trump is going to make America a sad and lonely place.

    Oh well! At least the racists will get there wish. Hope they realise all there electronics and good will be more dear now Lolz

    What I can't wait for now though is in 10 years time, when their base is all dying out. They don't have a chance hahahaha
     
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    In the end this was a deal Obama made and didn't fufil while he was in office. Trump likely wants to extreme vett them which makes sense. I don't recall hearing he said no. I also don't think if Trump's stance is so off the hook bad that the right should give Australia a pass either. Their policy is actually very sound.
     
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    Compassion, humanism who knows. Personally I don't feel that any country should be able to refuse refugees. (Actually I'd go further and open all borders, let market forces do the rest).

    According to the BBC, Trump has said he will honour the agreement. Turnbull has said he's dismayed that details of a private communication became public.
     
  14. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    because everything in America is great, there's plenty of jobs for these people and our schools and infrastructure can easily handle the extra burdon and even the rich want them in their nieghborhood. where have you been.....

    Sarcasm pump off

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    that would be a disaster
     
  15. zin macrumors 6502

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    A recipe for disaster. Your open-border world is a utopia.
     
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    How so? You already operate it on a smaller scale within the US (people can choose a state depending on jobs and laws etc) that's all I'm proposing.
     
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    Maybe zin envisions them all becoming welfare loafers. As if immigrants were not capable of getting jobs and becoming taxpayers.
     
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    we don't have the infrastructure resources to support our own people let alone more strays. thankfully trump moved the numbers back down to 50k per year. IMO we need to be way more selective in terms of who we take in and why. we need to focus way way more on taking in those that have the ability to add immediate value to society and help ease the burden.
     
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    Open borders will only work between countries that have comparative levels of wealth. If you open the borders, the entire developing world will flood the United States and Western Europe.

    And that's not even considering the security issues or the fact that a sovereign nation should absolutely have the right to control who may enter.
     
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    They would in the same way that the population of the US flooded New York but then they stopped. Property becomes too expensive, there are no jobs etc. So long as movement is completely free, people will go where life is the best.

    And what happens when the border of that nation arbitrarily changes? Borders don't really exist, they are a figment of the human imagination
     
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    Link

    Love it!
     
  22. zin macrumors 6502

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    So the native population should be punished with higher housing costs and lower employment because you want everybody and anybody to be able to enter?
     
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    We have a beef with Thrump (I mean Trump)

    Malcom turnball and Trump... Fight !!
     
  24. martint235 macrumors regular

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    How so? If you own a house, you will be rewarded with a more valuable house which will either push up wages or push people away from where you live. Win/Win really.

    And define "native" population?
     
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    na·tive
    ˈnādiv/
    noun
    noun: native; plural noun: natives
    1. 1.
      a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.
      "a native of Montreal"
     

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