Trump's lie about Clapper

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  1. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    I haven't been keeping up with this story, but here's another thread Trump has been trying to use to say that the Russia probe is an unfounded witch hunt. James Clapper, Obama's head of DNI, talked about it in a TV interview; Trump's put forward a couple of tweets about it:

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    Just one problem; this isn't what Clapper said. In that TV interview, he had this to say:

    Todd: "Does intelligence exist that can definitively answer the following question, whether there were improper contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials?"

    Clapper: "We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, ‘our,’ that's NSA, FBI and CIA, with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that included in our report."

    Todd: "I understand that. But does it exist?"

    Clapper: "Not to my knowledge."​

    Which is not exactly a resounding denial. Clapper goes into more detail on this point in another TV interview:

    Clapper said that in his more than six years as DNI, he regularly deferred to the FBI when a counterintelligence investigation could possibly morph into a criminal investigation.

    "That was certainly the practice I followed here," he said of the FBI’s ongoing Russia investigation. "So it’s not surprising or abnormal that I would not have known about the investigation, or even more importantly, the content of that investigation.

    "So I don’t know if there was collusion or not," added Clapper, who resigned at the end of President Barack Obama’s term.

    Later in the interview, Clapper was asked if he agrees with Trump that the Russian investigation is a "witch hunt," to which he replied, "I don’t believe it is."​

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-mostly-false-claim-clapper-said-no-collusio/

    So Trump is saying here that when Clapper says "not to my knowledge", he means "no". Which is not what Clapper meant. But who cares, Trump is using the statement in that manner anyway...
     
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    If there was evidence, don't you think it would have been presented by now? And Clapper or someone else would answer in the affirmative at some point?
     
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    Comey said that there is an ongoing FBI investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. That means there is some evidence. Whether that evidence raises to the level of proof is what is being investigated.
     
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    You just made my point. It doesn't exist today. It could tomorrow sure.
     
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    Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot; there's never any need for an "investigation" to dig up evidence; it's always plainly in sight for anybody to see. I mean, a Russian spy network will always leave clear and obvious signs of their presence, right? :p

    Look, Clapper himself said that he would have been out of the loop on any FBI investigation that might lead to criminal charges. And an investigation takes time. Proving a negative is always the hardest thing to do, so if there wasn't any collusion, the best evidence for that would be a thorough and complete investigation showing no collusion, right?
     
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    It might exist but they will deny it as not to contaminate the investigation.
     
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    I have no problem with the investigation. It just hasn't turned up anything yet. The Clinton investigation turned up more.
     
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    Impeachment is the last thing I care about. For all his insane flailing, Trump has yet to destroy the republic; with any luck, we'll survive his term in office. But I really don't want the Russians coming in and messing with our election process; best to determine for certain whether they did, how they did it, and how to prevent it in the future...
     
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    What is the evidence?
     
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    It's in his tax returns, oh wait.
     
  13. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

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    Yes, the Russians manipulated the election. But where is the collusion?
     
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    Now, if only Trump would get out of the way of the investigation (firing the head investigator, screaming about it on Twitter and in interviews, etc.), it might actually make some progress and determine with some certainty exactly what did and did not happen...
     
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    McCabe said there was no obstruction.
     
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    Do you know that or is it conjecture?
     
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    Oh, did they now? You mean, there's actual evidence of manipulation? What, pray tell, did they manipulate -- I've heard that they had a significant preference for Trump over Clinton. It might just be the case that they tried to get in touch with Trump's camp, in order to help them...
     
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    He hasn't released them yet so it's something.
     
  19. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

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    They manipulated the election in the same way the media does. RT was their method of influencing the vote.
     
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    You don't have my tax returns. Does that mean I'm doing something illegal?
     
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    Funny thing; right up until a couple of days ago, McCabe was not leading the organization handling the investigation. Said organization is now scrambling to deal with the change in leadership. Which means it necessarily isn't putting its full effort into the investigation; Comey himself was supposedly working to secure an increase in resources for the effort, and with Comey gone, that increase is likely not going to happen.

    And, who again got rid of Comey? Oh, the guy who was being investigated? Funny, that seems like obstruction to me...
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    I don't think the FBI was investigating RT.
     
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    McCabe said he doesn't need any more resources. Is he a Trump appointee?
     
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    Well, he did just get a huge promotion from Trump...
     
  24. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

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    Np, he didn't. He is acting FBI Director. A new one will be appointed over McCabe.
     
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    RT was mentioned in the intelligence report. They should have mentioned CNN while they were at it!
     

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