Trump's statement on Healthcare (streaming now)

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by samcraig, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Starts of strong - blaming Obamacare for the last 17 years.

    Then ignores what the Republicans are doing now and blames the Dems 100% for the ACA and calls it a big fat ugly lie.

    Constant attacking democrats. Shouldn't he be trying to speak to working together at this point?

    And he just invoked the physicians oath and it went nowhere
     
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    Hell Doctors don't even go by the Hippocratic Oath. Why should trump.
     
  3. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    ...for the last 7 years the Republicans have been against the ACA and wanting to repeal and replace...

    But apparently that doesn't mean putting together a plan.

    His "speech" right now is his campaign speech.

    Calling them obstructionists - and then asking for their vote. He's a piece of work.
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    No he quoted it - and then tried to use it to negate what the ACA has done - but it was his usual hot mess that went no where because of tangents...
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    His base will eat this up. However he just said if you aren't voting for his plan, you're supporting the ACA. Which is false. You can not like the new plan and also not like the ACA.
     
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    Did he say 17 or 7 years? I'm inclined to believe the former since he butchers a lot of history.
     
  5. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    His opening remark - he said 17. Then a few sentences later he referred to 7 years.
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    Around the 58:32 mark after Pence's intro
     
  6. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    It all boils down to what to do with the people currently enrolled in Obamacare. That is what the GOP has to reconcile. Step one of any plan is them. That was the point of the ACA, to create another political 3rd rail and enroll as many people as possible to make it impossible to fix it. Any cut to benefits or movement will be met with the same fervor as seniors do with cuts to medicare. This is the biggest downside to government healthcare, the voters will never vote to lessen anything even if it means a longer term fix.
     
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    I wonder what poor Ron was thinking. Paul Ryan is a twit, but my gosh that had to be the most embarrassing night of his life. To be called Ron numerous times on live television by POTUS. There's also the time POTUS congratulated someone on their weightloss and remarked how chubby they used to be...
     
  8. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    I agree.

    I don't think Trump's threats and intimidation is the way to go. Instead of sending out a message on how important it is to work together for the American people - he went off on a full tirade about the Democrats. He might win a blame game - but he won't win on the fixing.
     
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    Let's start with the basics: Has he said anything yet that suggests he actually knows what health insurance is?
     
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    There's that Trump revisionist history again. Pretty soon he will date Obamacare back to a time before Obama was even born. Like some weird time machine movie. :D
     
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    In all honestly, the life and death of the ACA rest 100% on the democrats shoulders. It was their bill that was sold to the american public via lies, the majority of the people who voted for it never read the damn thing (they just were enamored by the "idea" and went along with it (some by attempted bribery)) and then jammed through using a budget gimmick without a single republican vote. Even if Trump extends an olive branch to the democrats he still has to convince the republicans to pass the fixes, something they will never do. This is the problem with rushing things as big as healthcare and then telling one side to sit in the back of the bus.
     
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    Sounds like a solid drinking game. You must down a handle if he refers to Obama's birthplace as Zaire. It's all the same to him.
     
  13. jerwin macrumors 65816

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    back to the days when heath insurance was 12 bucks a month.
     
  14. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    No - not 100%. They had input from Republicans. And while they passed it, the life and death is now up to the Republicans to either replace it with something viable or fix it. So no - the life and death falls now on the Republicans and what they decide to do.

    All I'm saying is - Trump has the ability to reach across the aisle and really do some cheerleading to get people over to his side. But that's not what he does. He believes in threads an intimidation. Something that will most definitely not work.
     
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    Good luck selling that.
     
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    that's pure revisionist history when you consider that the ACA itself was actually a republican bill at the state level that was adopted to the Federal level as a compromise between Dem's and Republicans, and then only passed after 160+ amendments were approved by the Republicans.

    Don't get me wrong, the ACA is a half measure at best. the overall goal should be 100% coverage for all American's with a proper single payee system.

    but trying to flip ACA around as a Democratic bill is ignorant of the history of it.


    But hey, seems like most trump defenders and hard core republicans don't care about fact nd truth, and are much MUCH more willing ot listen to headlines regardless of validity in order to have an emotional response that's not based on fact.
     
  17. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Selling what? That the R's now own what happens to healthcare?

    Perhaps a bad analogy

    One doctor sees a few patients and knows how to cure them. It's working for some - others not. Meanwhile Doctor #2 is screaming about what the first doctor is doing throughout treatment and recovery and several months after that what Doctor #2 did. Doctor #2 is then given a chance to help the patients but has no plan whatsoever. Says he can do better than Doctor #1. But has no viable plan. However - Doctor #2 insists on stopping treatments for all and to have them wait until he can figure something out which may or may not be better.

    Now on one hand - you can say Doctor #1 is to blame. But at this point in time - what happens to the patients now rests in the 2nd doctor's hands. And that doctor is still trying to figure out where the medicine cabinet is ;)
     
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    Trump supporters don't know the difference between Obamacare and the ACA just as much as they don't know the difference between the ACA and Romney care.
     
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    It's almost comical how the left claims revisionist history when the manner in which the ACA was brought to law. It was passed without a single republican vote. Hows that compromise? In this country for oh so 100yrs a republican bedrock tenant has been smaller federal government and more local and state control. Trying it on a state level is one thing, doing it on a federal level is another. So simply taking a State program (one that hasn't been without it's own headaches) and then making to a federal program and calling it a republican program is laughable at best.
     
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    ObamaCare is RomneyCare becuase the GOP would not accept Obama's preferred solution (nor indeed did they cooperate when the Clinton had the foresight to try to sort this out before our population of older people needing care exploded.

    Right now the GOP has both houses and the Presidency. They have the power to pass anything, including anything they think is better. So why haven't they? Because they are a party that promotes selfishness over the common good and they carry that attitude from their policy to their politics. You can say what you want about the ACA being a Democratic problem, but increasingly it looks like the GOP cannot solve national problems. If they let the ACA die, as Trump seems to be planning, then everybody will still blame the GOP for inaction. Because after all, that's what the GOP have been specialising in for years - stifling legislation. As for Trump, attacking the democrats and then expecting them to help him out is pathetic. he knew his majorities were slim in both houses, and yet he chose bluster over rational discussion.
     
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    Problem is that the Republicans know the difference. Thats why they were very careful to cultivate "Obamacare" brand vs ACA.

    they knew that their core supporters would hate it for having Obama's name on it. Regardless of fact or reason. So they made sure that the brand was known as Obamacare, because if everyone from day 1 just called it "Affordable Care Act", it wouldn't sound so nefarious to Republican cores.

    Republicans played a mean propaganda campaign that seems to pay off. only problem is, the Republicans in power I don't think ever thought past the "repeal and replace" rhetoric. And now that they have the power to actually action it, they can't, because they themselves cannot think of what is better.
     
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    And Romneycare was based off of the Republican Care stuff which was based on Hillary Care. We've come full circle.
     
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    1. HES right
    2. no
     
  24. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    How much input have the Democrats been giving in the new bill?
    How much in the ACA.

    Sorry - but your argument has fallen apart. Votes or non-votes. The bill itself wasn't a Dem effort only.
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    No. And he's not right just because you say he is :)
     
  25. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    Yeah that is a bad analogy. Unless your talking about an emergency room, Dr #2 has no obligation to treat the patient.
     

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