U.S. boots on ground to fight Isis


vrDrew

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What could go wrong? What has already happened - suffering casualties.

But there is a world of difference from having small groups of special operations troops engaged in a selective basis against targets of opportunity and as an enhancement to local Kurd and Iraqi forces, and the sort of large-unit invasion and occupation operations we conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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What could go wrong? What has already happened - suffering casualties.

But there is a world of difference from having small groups of special operations troops engaged in a selective basis against targets of opportunity and as an enhancement to local Kurd and Iraqi forces, and the sort of large-unit invasion and occupation operations we conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan.
we are not the only ones in Syria, this is not good at all
 

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well aware that the lives of our troops are worthless to many.
What would make you think that?

It's not like the CIA created, organised, armed and trained ISIS. And that the US is supporting Saudi Arabia which created the Bin Laden Clan and provides the administrative staff to ISIS.

And now the US government is definitely not openly talking about fighting the same ISIS army their own gestapo just created.

And George Orwell did definitely not predict exactly this.

No. That all doesn't really happen.
Let's all vote for Hitlary and "Jeb" because they talk real good ...
 

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well aware that the lives of our troops are worthless to many.
I really don't understand how you can draw that conclusion based on what I said.

The death or injury of any armed forces member is a tragedy. But the fact of the matter is that people who enlist in the military, and especially volunteer for Special Operations units, accept the fact that hazardous duty, including the risk of death by hostile fire, is part of that occupation. The fact that they accept that risk increases my admiration for them.

ISIL is a scourge upon the people of Iraq and Syria. Two countries that, to a greater or lesser extent, were greatly disrupted by the reckless policies of Obama's predecessor as President. We owe it to the people of those countries, and to our own role in world history and current political affairs, to do everything we reasonably can to help them defeat ISIL, and to forge the sort of robust civil society that would prevent such organizations from taking root in the future.

If this takes the participation of brave men and women in our nation's Special Operations forces, sometimes getting in harms way - then I applaud them for their bravery and service. Thats why we have a military as brave, as professional, and as well-funded, as we do.
 
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I really don't understand how you can draw that conclusion based on what I said.

The death or injury of any armed forces member is a tragedy. But the fact of the matter is that people who enlist in the military, and especially volunteer for Special Operations units, accept the fact that hazardous duty, including the risk of death by hostile fire, is part of that occupation. The fact that they accept that risk increases my admiration for them.

ISIL is a scourge upon the people of Iraq and Syria. Two countries that, to a greater or lesser extent, were greatly disrupted by the reckless policies of Obama's predecessor as President. We owe it to the people of those countries, and to our own role in world history and current political affairs, to do everything we reasonably can to help them defeat ISIL, and to forge the sort of robust civil society that would prevent such organizations from taking root in the future.

If this takes the participation of brave men and women in our nation's Special Operations forces, sometimes getting in harms way - then I applaud them for their bravery and service. Thats why we have a military as brave, as professional, and as well-funded, as we do.
what about Obamas reckless policies? how stupid does someone have to be in order to arm the enemy?
we owe the people of those countries a ***** apology & we need to leave them the hell alone so they can make their own decisions w/o our interference. Obama "liberated" Libya and how well did that work out? take your blinders off.
 

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War and surveillance is America's strongest industry.. now you know what you are voting for, but NVM just pay attention to social issues the media wants you to obsess on.
 
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Happybunny

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WHY is peace never an option? there are multiple forces getting involved in a CIVIL war and the war monger in chief sees it fit to send our troops in? how STUPID can he be? arms the enemies and now he wants our troops among the enemies while the Russians bomb them, BRILLIANT..........
I think he is following in a long line of war mongers in chief.

The US hasn't had a coherent Foreign policy for decades, it's just short term solutions for long term problems.

The major problem is the US can win any war, they just can't win the peace.
 

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I think he is following in a long line of war mongers in chief.

The US hasn't had a coherent Foreign policy for decades, it's just short term solutions for long term problems.

The major problem is the US can win any war, they just can't win the peace.
he is by far the dumbest M'fer out there.

armed "moderate" terrorist & wants our troops fighting alongside the "moderate" terrorist that he armed while other nations seek out & destroy those "moderate" terrorist that he armed.

is he still high? did the drugs he did have that much of a profound effect on him? flashbacks? he screwed up Libya and didn't learn his lesson, this is what happens when you have a community organizer at the helm

 

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Would you rather he fight WWIII ?
Russian planes bombing American troops (or visa-versa) is a great way to start WWIII, or at least foment a major international crisis.

Obama never stated who would replace Assad. Obama has poured more small arms into Syria's bloody cauldron than any arms trafficker could dream of, yet he can't even tell us who is receiving all that largesse.

Just on a side note, has anybody else noticed that since Russia has got involved in Syria, the Western Media has completely forgotten about the WAR in Ukraine.:cool:
Yea, I noticed that and it's probably a good thing. Makes it less likely that Obama will do something stupid over Ukraine.
 
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oneMadRssn

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I don't understand why we can't just gtfo of Syria right now. Just straight up leave. Let the Russian's figure it out. It's seriously a win-win scenario to just leave. If Syria goes to ishit, we can easily blame the Russians in a "you touched it last" sort of argument. If Syria is stabilized by Russia and terrorists are out of there, we benefit as much as anyone else.
 
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he is by far the dumbest M'fer out there.

armed "moderate" terrorist & wants our troops fighting alongside the "moderate" terrorist that he armed while other nations seek out & destroy those "moderate" terrorist that he armed.

is he still high? did the drugs he did have that much of a profound effect on him? flashbacks? he screwed up Libya and didn't learn his lesson, this is what happens when you have a community organizer at the helm

IMO the most likely scenario, is that the US take casualties not from the Russians, but like Afghanistan when the troops that the US are training, shoot them in the backs.
 

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I don't understand why we can't just gtfo of Syria right now. Just straight up leave. Let the Russian's figure it out. It's seriously a win-win scenario to just leave. If Syria goes to ishit, we can easily blame the Russians in a "you touched it last" sort of argument. If Syria is stabilized by Russia and terrorists are out of there, we benefit as much as anyone else.
Because then Qatar doesn't get their gas pipeline, silly.