U.S. speeds up arms buildup with Gulf allies and heading for Iran...soon?

rasmasyean

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U.S. speeds up arms buildup with Gulf allies
Initiatives with Arab nations, military aimed at thwarting Iran attacks

DUBAI, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - The Obama administration is quietly working with Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf allies to speed up arms sales and rapidly upgrade defenses for oil terminals and other key infrastructure in a bid to thwart future military attacks by Iran, according to former and current U.S. and Middle Eastern government officials...(more)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35161735/ns/world_news-washington_post/

Defense...or Offense? Hmmm?

Discuss... :)
 

obeygiant

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I think Obama is being prudent in light of what he said last November:

SEOUL, South Korea -- Showing impatience with Iranian foot-dragging, President Barack Obama said Thursday that the U.S. and its allies are discussing possible new penalties to bring fresh pressure on Iran for defying international attempts to halt its contested nuclear program.

Obama's warning came after Iran rejected a compromise proposal to ship its low-enriched uranium abroad so that it could not be further enriched to make weapons. Talk of fresh sanctions also showed that Obama is preparing for the next phase should Iran fail to meet his year-end deadline for progress in negotiations.

"They have been unable to get to `yes', and so as a consequence, we have begun discussions with our international partners about the importance of having consequences," Obama said at a news conference with South Korean President Lee Myung-bak.

"Our expectation is, is that over the next several weeks we will be developing a package of potential steps that we could take that will indicate our seriousness to Iran."
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Negotiations are not worth much unless there is something to back it up.
 

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The US views oil as an essential part of US national security. Rest assured we will never 'get the hell out of the Middle East' as most of you suggest.
 

Sydde

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The middle-east conflict seems to based on Israel. It has been clearly demonstrated that the Jews cannot govern there without causing strife and anger throughout the region. The solution is clearly to bring in the Chinese to replace the Israeli government with independent, secular, quasi-authoritarian management. Israel and Palestine would be united into a single entity in which Jews and Palestinian arabs would have to live side by side, wholly disarmed. The borders would form a weapons cordon, and the international community would be required to support the Chinese autocracy in defending Sino-Israestine against outside aggression as long as tourism and pilgrimage are not restricted. All the residents would be pissed off at the government, but at least they would be united in that and not constantly trying to kill each other.
 

Dont Hurt Me

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Its funny how little tiny almost cant see it on a map Israel is the reason of all islamic worlds problems. Im convinced that if there was no Israel they would go back to beating woman for everything wrong in their world.
 

obeygiant

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The solution is clearly to bring in the Chinese to replace the Israeli government with independent, secular, quasi-authoritarian management. Israel and Palestine would be united into a single entity in which Jews and Palestinian arabs would have to live side by side, wholly disarmed.
Not in your wildest dreams.
 

obeygiant

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Undoubtably the Chinese will get involved in the middle east at some point in some way. And unlike Europe and the US they most certainly won't be bias towards Israel.
China is already involved in the middle east. But the idea that they would, or even want to, become involved in taking over the israel/palestine quagmire is ludicrous.
 

Eraserhead

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China is already involved in the middle east. But the idea that they would, or even want to, become involved in taking over the israel/palestine quagmire is ludicrous.
Whether they will get involved as directly as Sydde is implying, they will have to get involved to some degree at some point.
 

Macky-Mac

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Never mind the jews and the chinese :rolleyes:

Conflict and confrontation between arabs and persians is a long standing part of history in the Gulf region. That the Gulf states are interested in improving their defenses should come as no surprise. it's something they've been working on for quite a while
 

flopticalcube

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Under the Ottoman empire it probably was fairly peaceful.
And the tyranny of Marshal Tito kept the Balkans in line, doesn't mean Croatian Catholics and Bosnian Muslims can't rule themselves and live side-by-side in peace. Israelis have had good and bad leaders (they currently have a poor one IMO) but to say that "Jews cannot govern there without causing strife and anger throughout the region" seems to be a rather racist statement. Strife and anger have been part of that regions history for thousands of years.
 

Eraserhead

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"Jews cannot govern there without causing strife and anger throughout the region" seems to be a rather racist statement.
If that is what I implied I am sorry as it does sound racist :eek:. What I wanted to say was that the Israeli government causes (or is at least directly involved in) a lot of problems in the middle east.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is one of the worlds biggest problems and it needs to be solved peacefully, I doubt it will be solved by forcing either the Israelis or Palestinians to leave the middle east.
 

flopticalcube

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If that is what I implied I am sorry. What I wanted to say was that the Israeli government causes (or is at least directly involved in) a lot of problems in the middle east.
That I have no problem with and quite agree on in many cases, particularly at the moment. The overt and covert benevolence of the US towards Israeli governments in the past has also hurt the US reputation in the region although they have also helped the various Palestinian governments from time-to-time to a much lesser degree. A more balanced approach would probably do loads for the US.

Note that my comment was originally directed at Sydde.
 

skunk

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As I have said before, the only long-term solution for the Israel-Palestine problem is for there to be a unitary state comprising both Israeli and Palestinian areas, just as the only long-term solution to the Irish conflict is for Ireland to be reunited. These military occupations cannot last.