Uh Oh! CA judge rules for baker in same-sex wedding cake suit.

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    Welcome to the California Judicial Process.
    The left hand does not know the right hand nor if it is even the correct body.
     
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    In what universe does the judicial process of ANY state constitute a "right hand left hand" dichotomy? Different judge interpret laws differently.
     
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    California - apparently we appear to be at times our own universe or believe we are.

    As an example for appellate cases in California:
    "General Rule: If two or more California appellate districts have conflicting rulings, a trial court can and must choose whichever ruling it wants."

    We have some wacky stuff out here :D
     
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    Yeah...isn't that basically...an appeal? o_O
     
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    Isn't this whole thing getting settled by SCOTUS in a minute anyway?
     
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    Interesting case. The judge said considering the cake was never made and on public display, it does not discriminate. Can't see any company being forced into selling a product that has never been made.
     
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    Yeah, that's the Masterpiece Cake Shop case. Similar facts there as in this California case (free expression law vs. state antidiscrimination statute). SCOTUS should rule on it by June.

    Here's the California ruling:

    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e8-8a36-9b658b7eb697/5a79d28c1e6fc.pdf.pdf

    I think this is a fair and balanced opinion and the right outcome. Worth a read. The baker gave the lesbian customers a referral to another baker in town who would make a cake for their marriage celebration. The gay couple gets their cake, and the baker doesn't have to violate her beliefs.
     
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    And that is how it should be. Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees.
     
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    Other trial using the appellate decision... But in the event this is used in an appeal, the judge can use either of the other finding or just go his/her own direction. The state level rules here in Cali are convoluted and at times trip all over themselves. :confused:
     
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    A lot of people look at California as left wing, liberal, progressive Democrats. But when you visit a lot of areas in Cali its more in the middle or right leaning. That’s why New California is in the works. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1036681001
     
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    Wonder what that would do if it came to pass to the LA Water Wars? ....
    Not that I ever see it happening.
     
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    I don’t see it actually happening, but it would be nice if it did.
     
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    So can BMW deny you a car (financing aside)? Or a restaurant, food? because, you know, the food is not made until you order. Those "we only serve whites" signs can make a comeback it seems.
     
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    A new CA has been in the works since WWII (where if it weren't for the war the state of Jefferson may have actually happened) but in the end it's a bunch of right wing leaning people from rural areas who want to split off. Chances of it happening at this point are slim to none.
     
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    What if a transgender women marries a man? Do they have to recognize it as a straight marriage and bake their cake?

    Cause "by law", that transgender is a women if she legally had her gender changed.
     
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    The only thing I can think of is those signs that restaurants and small shops have posted all over: We reserve the right to refuse service. So yeah, they do have that right. Still, I think comparing a religious conviction to race is a bit of a stretch, and from a small cake shop to BMW is another stretch. If BMW did this, the media would crucify it - like they did to the cake shop - and no way would BMW ever risk that, especially considering that a large percentage of its sales probably come from California.
     
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    Uh...what?
     
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    So I guess you didn't read the article/video the op linked about the topic.
     
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    GOOD! It's a solid ruling. The guy isn't refusing to sell them anything he's refusing to use his creative skills and individualized talent on them. They can buy off the shelf goods from him all they want but if they want a customized cake they have plenty of other shops to choose from. People have a right to their own personal religious beliefs and NOT to break those beliefs.
     
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    Good. You don't have the right to force people to provide their labour to you. If they want to hold on to those views then so be it, the X% of the population that find their views repulsive can deny them their business and campaign for others to avoid them too. What a pathetic witch hunt.
     
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    Cant wait for the first Trump customer to be denied service because the business owner is a Democrat. Or vice versa.
     
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    As long as a certain group perceive an advantage, in the good ole end justifies the means mind set, they'd be ok with it, until they became the victims. Then there'd be crying like babies. :rolleyes:
     
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    You want there to be political segregation?! This has happened before. Who knows if the lady deserved it - some people can be asses - https://nypost.com/2016/07/05/trump-supporter-says-mexican-restaurant-refused-to-serve-her/
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    I just have a hard time equating a religious conviction to a political one. Many more people die for one versus the other.
     

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