Uh Oh Trump.. Kelly called Comey to Express Anger over Firing

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Not sure Kelly is going to be the ally Trump wants if this is true.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...press-anger-over-how-trump-handled-his-firing

    New White House chief of staff John Kelly reportedly called former FBI Director James Comey in May to express his anger over how President Trump handled his firing, according to CNN.

    Two sources familiar with the conversation said that Kelly told Comey he was even considering resigning over how Trump treated the former FBI director.

    "John was angry and hurt by what he saw and the way [Comey] was treated," one of the sources told CNN.
    Comey reportedly talked with Kelly over the phone while traveling back from Los Angeles, where he learned of his firing from television news reports while speaking to employees at an FBI field office.

    The two sources told CNN that Comey and Kelly had a professional relationship and deeply respected each other, but were not close friends.

    Trump dismissed former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus on Friday and replaced him with Kelly.

    “Reince is a good man. John Kelly will do a fantastic job. Gen. Kelly has been a star, done an incredible job thus far, respected by everybody. He's a great, great American,” Trump said.

    The president fired Comey in May based on a recommendation from Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
     
  2. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    One would then question why Kelly would take the job. My guess is the man is an ultimate patriot and saw the **** show and decided to step in for the good of the country. If he can get this WH behaving like a WH should, the man deserves another medal or a cuddle or something.
     
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    Just reported that ALL staff now reports to Kelly... including Bannon.
    This could get interesting.
     
  4. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    He might be able to tame the WH.. but Trump - that's a tall order.

    I wonder if Bannon's days are numbered now.
     
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    Yah not sure his job is to be an ally, more like a babysitter and pacifier, someone Trump trusts so will listen to and mind long enough to maybe not tweet himself an obstruction of justice charge or whatever.

    If Trump fires Kelly then I predict Trump will eventually be impeached and removed...

    John Kelly is Trump's last good shot at having some kind of orderly White House, one that helps establish and maintain public respect for the Office of the President if not for the currant occupant.

    Kelly is apparently liked by Ivanka and Jared as well as by Trump. There's nobody better situated than Kelly, I should think, to manage at least the rest of the staff if not his own boss the Prez.

    We all need this White House to stop looking like it's just an autofeed to the comedy shows, as entertaining as that has been so far. I hope this staffing change works, even though I have my doubts Trump can switch out of his chaotic and politicallly tone-deaf modes of operation.

    The problem now will be getting all those White House and personal staff lawyers to get their clients to stop leaking self-serving stuff about the Russia-related investigations.
     
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    Well that's what Trump could be figuring on in his delusional approach to becoming prez for life. Some of his other military picks though, McMaster for one, are disillusioned and also annoyed at being isolated from "what's doing" in the inner circles of the WH. Weird how the national secrurity advisor feels isolated: that's a first in modern times as far as I know. In other administrations the NSA was who you went to when you needed a cargo plane rolled out of Andrews AFB like right now, and other agencies were saying gee i dunno.
     
  8. BoxerGT2.5, Jul 31, 2017
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    I don't think he'll tame Trump, but getting the rest of the **** squared away and instilling discipline is a good start. Your communications director going on a profanity filled tirade like he was at the Yankees game when Martinez made Don Zimmer bounce off the turf is the exact opposite of what he's looking for.
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    I was thinking along the lines of Kelly axing Trump. lol
     
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    Well Kelly does seem perfect for the role of Al Haig in parallels to Watergate and Nixon's exit from the Oval Office. It took the GOP and Haig a year and change to wrap that up. Trump though, he seems determined to get himself launched in time to spend a lot more time on his golf course in Forida this winter.
     
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    Kelly will be gone soon. First, Trump hates anyone who gets more attention than him. Second, the idea that Kelly is bringing strength to the White House will drive Trump nuts. I know he loves his generals but his ego will never survive Kelly getting praise or credit for anything.
     
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    Although not specific just to this article. As long as sources aren't named. How am I to believe reporters aren't just making stuff up? Saying "sources" is not the same thing as citing a specific source. It has about as much credence as the Weekly World News article, "Bat Child Found in Cave!"

    How are they familiar to the conversation? Were they wiretapping or eavesdropping? Is it someone directly told about the contents of the conversation by one of the parties involved? Did someone hear it from the third cousin of the wife of the janitor who heard someone gossiping about it around the water cooler?
     
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    You're kidding, right? First of all sources are not made up by mainstream media, there are threads and threads about that in here already. Sources remain anonymous because if they went on record they could be fired -- so no more info would be forthcoming-- (or, in the case of leaks the organization WANTED out there, it would be clear the info was basically a plant). But sources are known to the editors, and most times multiple sources are required by mainstream outlets.

    For items of lesser import, maybe something like someone reporting that "a source" said Scaramucci was escorted off the White House grounds today, for instance, they'd be nuts to print that if it were not verifiable. Either he was, or he wasn't. Surely he was not invisible when he left. So one source seems enough to go with it.
     
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  14. IronWaffle, Jul 31, 2017
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    Starting with your last point, I wonder if Kelly's own abilities to manage teams itself can help stifle the leaks. From what this anonymous online armchair expert has read, much may hinge on Kelly's ability to have staff speak with him directly before approaching His excellency highness... our second most presidential president in history (after Lincoln) then that could stem the leak-bleed-out because he can combine the voices and present perspectives as a single trusted voice.

    Of course, with Ivanka, Jared and likely Bannon still having free rein to get a direct word, that may be hard even for a hardened general. He needs to limit end-runs around him as a gatekeeper and he needs to be able to sell others' thoughts to Trump convincingly enough that they feel heard. For that to work, Trump must act on some of the advice. I'm not convinced Trump has that in him, even with someone he respects -- after all, he can always fall back on, "I hear what you're saying but I'm the one who got me here and I don't agree with you so I'll go with my best advisor -- me."

    As to the bolded portions. I totally agree. We need the appearance of stability even if its known that the man at the top teeters. It's been harmful that this administration has been speaking with so many inconsistent and contradictory voices overseas. Twitter will always present a problem, but maybe this can... I dunno. This ain't entertaining. It's draining.
     
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    In the press conference today, it was stated that Bannon reports to Kelly, not the president.
    Not sure about Jared or Ivanka, but I'm not worried about those two. Bannon on the other hand, is not to be trusted.
     
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    Bannon is one of those individuals who believes he's smart but is incredibly short sighted. Very much reminds me of angry teenagers who read some manifesto or another and think they know everything.
     
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    Wait what?......Trump is a bat?.......they found him in a cave? I thought he flew around Trump Tower. And 71 is no child.
     
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    My take after reading the press briefing transcript off the gov site awhile ago is that Kelly has said he's the gatekeeper, period. Of course he can't keep the Kushner pair from having a word with Dad over dinner. Bannon, I dunno. Depends if he wants to keep his job, probably. I mean if Kelly catches him trying to flag down the prez in passing... might not end well for him.

    Here's some stuff from the briefing


    Q And if we could just clarify one point about this chain of command. Apparently, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have said they look forward to following General Kelly's lead. When it comes to the people who have access to the President, will that conduit be narrowed down now? Will everything flow through Kelly, or will some things still flow around the Chief of Staff's office?

    MS. SANDERS: As I just said, the President has given full authority to General Kelly, and he'll make those determinations.

    April.

    Q Sarah, this statement that was released by the White House says Mr. Scaramucci felt that it was best to give Chief of Staff John Kelly a clean slate and the ability to build his own team, but you just said the President felt that his comments were inappropriate.

    MS. SANDERS: I don’t see those as being mutually exclusive. I think Anthony wants General Kelly to be able to operate fully with a clean slate, build his own team, while at the same time, the President felt his comments were inappropriate. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive.

    Q And a follow-up to that. With the new hierarchy with General Kelly, tell us what it looks like in this administration.

    MS. SANDERS: As we've laid out, General Kelly I think will bring new structure to the White House and discipline and strength. And we're all really excited to work with him. And in terms of -- I'm not going to draw out an org chart up here, but we'll keep you guys posted as --

    Q So Steve Bannon, Kellyanne, everyone reports under him instead of going straight to the President with issues? Does every special assistant go to General Kelly first?

    MS. SANDERS: I think I've been clear that General Kelly has the full authority to carry out business as he sees fit.

    Jon Decker.

    Q Thanks, Sarah. A real quick one first. I have two for you. A real quick one; it regards Sean Spicer. Will he be in the administration in any way now that Anthony Scaramucci has announced that he will not be a part of the Trump administration?

    MS. SANDERS: I'm not aware of any changes that have been made on that front.


    Q And then, my second one is this: Ten days ago, Anthony Scaramucci was introduced as the new White House Communications Director. Ten days later, he's out of a job. The President announced on Twitter that there's no chaos at the White House. How would you describe what has happened over the course of the past 10 days? Obviously, you will agree with your boss, the President, that there's no chaos. But how do you explain that not to be the case?

    MS. SANDERS: I think it's pretty simple. I've said it before: If you want to see chaos, come to my house with three preschoolers. This doesn’t hold a candle to that.

    Q Does the President --

    MS. SANDERS: Just to be clear, that's not an open invitation to come to my house. (Laughter.) But if you guys want to schedule babysitting time, I'll be happy to work that out.

    Q Does the President regret hiring Anthony Scaramucci?

    MS. SANDERS: I'm not going to get into anything beyond what I've already said on that front.

    Q You said you don’t want to get into the process, but you already did. The statement says that Scaramucci "felt," so you're basically laying this on him. You're saying that it was his decision. Was it his decision?

    MS. SANDERS: I think I've been pretty clear that the President felt it was inappropriate. Both Anthony and General Kelly also, I think, came to a mutual agreement. And we're moving forward to focus on the jobs outside of this building, not within it.

    Q Two questions. One on this, and then a different topic. Just to clarify, because I want to make sure I understand the word "he" here, who this refers to. You said a minute ago, "he" didn’t want to burden General Kelly also with that line of succession. The "he" there --

    MS. SANDERS: The President.

    Q That's the President. So you were saying that it's the President who is deciding that --

    MS. SANDERS: Look, we all serve at the pleasure of the President, but I think that this was a mutually-agreed conversation that took place between several people.
     
  19. IronWaffle, Jul 31, 2017
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    Thanks.

    It does make me wonder how Trump may psychologically handle this level of sequestration if it holds. There seems to be a strong correlation with his isolation and his most, uh, "entertaining" Tweets.

    I don't believe Jarvanka can curb their access any better than Jr. and Eric are probably able or willing to run his business affairs "blindly." It'd be hard enough for someone disciplined and trusting, two traits I hardly associate with The Don.

    He's also addicted enough to media and prone to conspiracy theories that, six months in, I'm not sure he'll believe if legitimate-sounding leaks aren't coming "from inside The House." A pattern's been set that'd be hard to break.

    Still, as I perceive you are, I'm hopeful. I believe the country (and our allies) needs the stability — even if it's wafer-thin perception. It'd be a start. And I'd be glad not to see foreign-policy-by-pass-the-buck-and-blame-[China, Democrats, Rosie O'Donnell] Tweets. Even if his Borscht Belt schtick (Boy Scouts, police brutality "jokes") still cast wretched shadows, at least those don't have the air of off-the-cuff toilet policy like the recent transgenders in the military and Sessions Tweets, etc.

    Meanwhile, I'll daydream of what Edible Arrangement I'd buy Mueller if he could... oh, wait, I just remembered who the next three people in line are. Time for Netflix. Captain Picard is proof we make it through. Right? Right? Just say yes.
     
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    The White House needs to update The Administration -> The Cabinet.
    Hopefully the web developers file drive that data to avoid having to republish every few days. :)
     
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    I can't imagine Kellyanne Conway being happy with that arrangement. Really I am not even sure the president will be. Doesn't this isolate him more? I don't think he likes being isolated.
     
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    That would be interesting. I don't doubt that Kelly sees Bannon, and his merry band of happy racists, as a problem that he's not interested in having. Bannon and Miller's handling of the travel ban must have pissed Kelly off, even if he agreed with the ban, because he had to defend such a ham-handed rollout.

    But, if he throws Bannon out, he'll earn the opprobrium of the Breitbart crowd, like Rep. King, and they could become a long-term political problem.

    Well arguably, we know that unlike the Weekly World News or the National Enquirer, the reporter is talking to someone who was in the room, or spoke to someone who was in the room. Generally speaking, you try to anonymize a source, especially when they're telling you something they shouldn't, so even if you're talking to one of three people in the room, you don't name them that directly. Better to hide your source's identity a bit to protect them.

    Remember, the news outlets that are reporting this have the credibility to write a story using anonymous sources.
     
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    Well, it's too early to say, but I'm glad there's a grown-up in the room for once...
     
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    In theory they are authentic and anonymous for valid reasons. But one has to accept that all journalists and editors are pure as the driven snow and could never be tempted to abuse their position. Perhaps they are telling the truth and perhaps they are not. Without a means of independent verification. One has no way of knowing.

    As anonymous sources are becoming increasingly prevalent. People should become more wary and skeptical. Otherwise the temptation to abuse the public faith increases. One can't just take it on blind faith that media outlets can't be corrupted.

    This does not mean all anonymous sources should be taken with skepticism. If that source is backed up with independently verifiable proof. That source can be accepted. Such as an anonymous source providing e-mails, official documents, recordings or other material evidence. The source is irrelevant. There is proof.

    In the example Scaramucci being escorted out of the White House. He no longer works there. It is standard business practice to escort someone from the job site when employment is terminated or they resign. Why would the White House be any different? Thus the source is irrelevant. His no longer being employed is proof.
     
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    The fact that Kelly is the one who let Scaramucci go and not Trump indicates that Trump listened and gave power to someone else. The POTUS can't micromanage everything the way he did in his business life. This could be a good sign, but I'm skeptical on how long it lasts.
     

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