[UK] Cameron to put porn censors on ISPs, ban possession of porn depicting rape

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    All in time for his tea with Queen Victoria hopefully...

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  2. kolax, Jul 22, 2013
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    Waste of time, it won't work, and just shows Cameron doesn't understand the internet. More censorship attempts coming our way after this I'm sure.

    This will only make people who don't understand the internet happy - parents can ignorantly let their children browse the web freely assuming they won't come across anything nasty.

    I'm sure Alex Salmond will try and gain more independent votes by claiming an independent Scotland will not block porn by default.

    I think the world has an obsession with trying to preserve a child's innocence as long as possible. At what point is it acceptable for a 'child' (someone <16/18) to view porn?
     
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    Coming up, Cameron announces plan to try and sort of ban porn. Now let's go live and take a peek at the royal vag.
     
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    If they ban porn what will Prince Charles do to get away from his wife.
     
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    Totally pointless. Our leaders just don't understand the internet. Censorship is never ever ever the way.
     
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    This quote from reddit sums it up for me (though I have slightly sanitised it):

     
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    Honestly, my biggest question is why it even matters. I started to watch porn at like 11 years old. I grew up with the internet and found that stuff pretty quickly. Just like how previous generations got Playboy magazines stolen from some guy's parents. The simple viewing of pornography never did anyone any harm. I was even introduced to BDSM at 14, which just meant I got involved in the scene as soon as I hit 18. Never did me any (nonconsensual :p) harm either.

    The root of the issue is that our society is still extremely prude. We still look down on people for watching porn or being "deviants" or whatever. We demonise sexuality to an extent where we say that, as you're growing up, if you want to watch movies where people get murdered, that's acceptable, just as long as you don't find out about perfectly natural human sexuality! Never that!

    What we're seeing from the government is just a symptom of a wider societal issue. The government is doing this to score political points, and that wouldn't work if there weren't people who supported it. We as a society (in the UK and the US) need to simply grow up and stop demonising our sexuality. Only then will crap like this cease to be an issue.
     
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    Also, they are making it illegal to possess porn 'depicting rape'.

    I wonder if they will start censoring all books/plays/movies/dramas that have someone getting raped as part of the story. Or as long as it isn't in a porno it's okay?

    Maybe we should just blind children at an early age so they don't see the real world at all.
     
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    Enjoy A Clockwork Orange while you can. Soon acting out things that are bad in real life will become a thoughtcrime.
     
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    I had a somewhat similar experience due to unfiltered internet access at a young age. Reading that certain feelings were *definitely things* has probably been more reassuring than anything I'd heard during sex ed. I'm not saying we should let kids loose on the internet at an early age, but there's definitely something to be said about giving them a completely judgement-free zone where they can discover things.

    That's what gets me too.

    • Videos of simulated death - you can pay to watch that in public.
    • Videos of simulated rape - you'll be prosecuted for obtaining it in your own home.
    I just don't get the thought process behind that, am I missing something? I guess this is just the violent video games argument all over again, and it's about as water-tight too.
     
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    Exactly. I mean I made a lot of stupid mistakes in my early internet days too, but it really helped me learn things and probably avoid embarrassing myself in real life as much. And seriously, the day I learnt there was actually a name for the weird stuff I kept thinking about was wonderful.

    The answer's simple: one involves sex. And sex is bad. Therefore you cannot pretend to do the bad sex thing because that's double bad. Or something.

    Seriously there's no real logic behind it at all, it's just a good old fashioned moral panic backed by a prude society and an older generation of Daily Mail readers who were raised to believe sex is shameful.

    Problems will still be encountered however, because the government is pushing against society. After all, that same Daily Mail demographic will have all read Fifty Shades, and the teenagers of today have all read far dirtier stuff on fanfiction sites already. The fact is, BDSM is becoming more mainstream, and there's nothing any government can do about it, and with each new generation becoming more and more open, accelerated due to the internet, this kind of crap won't stand for long at all.

    Expect the Tories to be kicked out at the next election. And expect Photoshopped rape porn containing David Cameron to already be circulating the internet.
     
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    I think the quote kinda misses the point. This is nothing to do with children viewing porn. The people pushing it don't want adults viewing porn either.
     
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    What happens when this ridiculous ban blocks sites dealing with breast cancer or STDs?
     
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    I'd hazard a guess that those who are looking for images of really extreme and already illegal stuff - such as that involving children - aren't going to gather material by sitting at their computer and typing a few choice search terms into Google.

    It's essentially a policy designed to sound bold and decisive to the non-internet savvy and attract favourable headlines from The Sun and The Daily Mail, but which in practice will achieve precious little.


    Well, if Dave has his way we won't have an NHS to go to for help with such matters. But that's another topic...
     
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    Actually, I hadn't thought of that. Censor away, Dave!
     
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    Bad news for Penistone too I bet.
     
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    I thought the US was bad... The NSA may be spying on all of the communications, but at least they don't try to take the porn. If you wanted to see riots...
     
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    Oh man. Just wait until our nanny state over here in the US jumps on the anti-porn bandwagon. It's one area where they've yet to get up on their high horse and create a "crisis" over, but just give them time...
     
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    Off the top of my head, Santorum, Gingrich and Romney are for banning porn.
     
  23. APlotdevice, Jul 23, 2013
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    Yup... And the worst part is that people like this actually believe that, because of the religion clause, the first amendment justifies such bans!
     
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    We burn them to ashes and then burn the ashes...

    Such a shame that decadent Web pages can't be burned.

    Nothing's as satisfying as watching books go up in flames.
     
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    Looks like the Daily Mail's long-run campaign to protect the children has paid off. :rolleyes:
     

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