UK government can demand backdoors and if you reveal their existence you can be sent to prison

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  1. Cromulent macrumors 603

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    http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-polic...rs-give-prison-sentences-for-disclosing-them/

    It is pretty sickening what is happening in the UK at the moment when it comes to digital rights and privacy. A few people are speaking out against it but by no means is it enough. In fact polls have suggested that the majority of people are actually in favour of it.

    They seem to fail to realise that this is exactly the sort of thing the KGB, Gestapo and the Stasi used to do when they were in power and now the UK government is trying to force it on us.
     
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    The problem with encryption is that it is all or nothing. Which makes these decisions hard.
     
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    England has been a nightmare for privacy for decades now. All hope is lost there.

    Individuals who want the authorities to video surveil them everywhere have lost any sense of right and wrong. No wonder it's the homecountry of George Orwell.

    They are not forcing it on me.
    I'd recommend to anyone to leave the UK. Let those weirdos have their nightmare island.
     
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    No. However flawed and misguided much of the security-related legislation being discussed in the UK might be - Britain is not now; nor is it likely to be in the future - a "nightmare for privacy." The vast majority of citizens and residents live their entire lives without ever being surveilled or spied on by anyone (other than their neighbors across the street, twitching the net curtains...)

    Like the US, and most other western nations, Britain has struggled to balance the needs of the security, law enforcement, and intelligence agencies of its Government to keep tabs on various terrorist organizations - with its long-held traditions of individual liberty and personal privacy. Like the US - sometimes the British government has got things dreadfully wrong.

    IMHO, the significant difference between the US and Britain comes down to Britain's lack of a formal, written Constitution guaranteeing the basic rights of individuals and placing limits upon what their Government may, and may not, do.
     
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    OP you're right this isn't good but can we not compare the British police to the Gestapo, Stasi, and the KGB?
     
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    Then again most average, normal households should not worry unless they are looking at child pornography or participating in terrorist activities IMO. I think people are way too paranoid these days.
     
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    And I think people aren't paranoid enough.
     
  8. Cromulent thread starter macrumors 603

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    I'm not comparing the police to Stasi, KGB or Gestapo I'm comparing GCHQ and MI5 / MI6 to them. Although having said that the police also want access to the information as well so maybe they are just as bad as GCHQ et al as well.

    So you'd be OK with the idea that your hypothetical neighbour who works for the security services could look up your browsing history and email history because they were interested or wanted to find out about you?

    What about a rogue employee in GCHQ that sells information about you to a terrorist organisation or a foreign power like China or North Korea? Or even worse sells information about your private browsing habits to your employer which might get you sacked because they didn't like people who looked at (legal) porn or your insurance company that found out you had a medical condition you didn't disclose which might result in your premiums being put up or your insurance policy being cancelled.

    What about if you were an opponent of the government and they wanted to discredit you with private information (say information gained about any medical conditions you have or you hanging out with that bloke who was a criminal in his youth but never told you)?

    This is scary stuff and needs to be stopped.
     
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    Does the CGHQ make people disappear? Do they have gulags? Do they have re-education camps? The answer to those questions is no, therefore they are not like any of the above.
     
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    That's the point I'm trying to make. Who knows where it will stop. First they started filming us all with CCTV and we did nothing because it cut down on crime on the streets, then they started mining our data and we did nothing because it helped catch terrorists, then they started arresting people with different political beliefs and we did nothing because it got rid of trouble makers and so and so on.

    British rights are slowly being eroded. In 20 years time who knows what will happen. Who knows if a government coming into power in the future will misuse the data that they have. You have to trust the government to do the right thing and I'm not willing to do that.
     
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    You belong where you are then.
     
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    Neither the stasi, nor the gestapo, nor the kgb ran gulags and reeducation camps. Those were run by different entities.
     
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    We don't know where anyone or anything will stop, that still doesn't validate the comparison. The people of the UK need to stand up and make changes. When I was in London last week there were two huge protests so people will protest and demand change so go get people riled up. The fact that you can do that means you do not live in a police state.
     
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    They're much more incompetent for a start

    I have a feeling the OP doesn't really know what the Gestapo, the Stasi or the KGB actually did.
     
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    Since 9/11 we have seen out basic freedom being eroded and it is getting worrying. This is not just happening in the UK the US is not much better with the Patriot act. Now it would make a lot more sense for those constantly marching in London and attacking the police to redirect their anger at things like this.
     
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    What are you even on about with that bolded bit?

    We're free to practice any religion we choose in the UK, I have friends who are atheist, agnostic, christian, hindu, muslim and bhuddist.....

    That said, I do have a problem with the snoopers charter, people aren't kicking up a fuss, because they don't understand it.
     
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    And the stupid masses continue to vote the same gangsters to power ...
     
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    I have not seen any difference between the two main parties in the UK on this issue. This is an issue the people need to rise up on because our politicians do not understand.
     
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    Agreed the problem is that the vast majority of MPs know nothing about technology.

    Ive sent my MP a technical letter about talk talk. I'm going to be fascinated by the governments response.
     
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    They understand extremely well.
    They are the perps.
     
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    I can assure you that my MP is one of the better ones and he understood none of the technology about talk talk when I wrote to him about that.

    His
     
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    He is incompetent then.

    However he doesn't need to understand the technology part to comprehend what's wrong in the UK.
     
  23. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Yes he does.

    Its quite obvious that UK MP's simply don't understand technical issues, when they recently tried to pass a bill to ban all encryption.

    A. It would ruin business.
    B. They don't understand that its unenforceable.
     
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    Then they are all incompetent.
     
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    They probably didn't because Tim Cook told them he wouldn't bend and that would have been covered in the press. "Apple products banned in the UK"
     

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