UK: If a General Election was called, which way would you swing?

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  1. Lib Dem

    21 vote(s)
    25.9%
  2. Labour

    10 vote(s)
    12.3%
  3. Conservative

    27 vote(s)
    33.3%
  4. Other

    12 vote(s)
    14.8%
  5. Undecided :confused:

    11 vote(s)
    13.6%
  1. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

    edesignuk

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    #1
    I think I recall reading yesterday that the government only have about another year or so in which to call a General Election.

    Right now, who would get your vote?
     
  2. firestarter macrumors 603

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    An interesting question.

    I would have to vote tactically unfortunately, so I'd be voting Lib-Dem.

    I want the Tories to win though. In my borough the Lib-Dems got in a couple of byelections ago (took the seat from Labour) and the Tories are a very distant third, so me voting Tory would actually increase the chance of the seat returning to Labour.
     
  3. toontra macrumors 6502

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    I'll be voting LibDem because they have the best policies and because I want an end to this 2-party cr@p.
     
  4. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Lib Dem, due to their speed in replying to communications with them, and because I think they have good policies.
     
  5. Jaffa Cake macrumors Core

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    No way would I ever vote Conservative – I'm just old enough to remember Thatcher and the carnage she caused, and the prospect of a Tory Government is one I find deeply unsettling.

    However, the prospect of voting for Labour holds little appeal for a variety of reasons, including Iraq and Afganistan. Which really leaves the Liberal Democrats, who in actual fact are the only alternative to Labour in this part of the world with the Tories a distant third. I think they're pretty ineffective though, at local level all they seem to want to do is squabble with Labour. They represent the lesser of three evils, I guess.

    To be honest, I wish there was an option along the lines of 'None of The Above' on the voting form so people can register their dissatisfaction with the options that are presented to us – certainly, I've spoilt my ballot before. Any chance you could add 'None of The Above' or 'Spoiled Ballot' or something to the options for those of us who want to register our disapproval of our politicians, e?
     
  6. arkitect macrumors 601

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    Lib Dems for me.
    Do they have a chance? Alas…
     
  7. edesignuk thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    That's really what the other/undecided options were for. Plus now I can't edit my own Poll.


    I'm also very much undecided. I have no love for Labour and the path they seem to have lead us down, but equally I remember the days of the Tories and they weren't too hot either. The Lib Dems don't stand a hope in hell, and to be honest they're so quiet I have no idea what they're about anyway.

    British politics: Crap.
     
  8. Jaffa Cake macrumors Core

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    Honestly. See what happens when you stop being a Mod? :D

    Right, I've voted 'Other' then.
     
  9. iBlue macrumors Core

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    I think that is a great idea.

    I can't vote in this fine country yet but if I could I think I would likely vote Lib-Dem, no matter how futile a vote that may be. From what little I know of british politics, Lib-dem is probably the closest to what I would look for in a politician. Frankly I think they're all pure evil though.
     
  10. firestarter macrumors 603

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    A LibDem vote is a wasted vote (apart from where it's tactical)

    They're not going to win, and the most likely outcome of a LibDem winning a seat will be to stop the Tories from getting a majority, and therefore keep Gordon Brown in.

    The LibDems talk a good game, but a lot of their policies are nuts. If you're single, check out their local income tax plans - this redistributes the cost of local council taxes really unfairly towards single people.
     
  11. peskaa macrumors 68020

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    I would never, ever, ever vote Tory. I'm old enough to have seen the impacts of Tory government, and if you look back into history you can see further evidence of the damage they've done. I'm certainly not fooled by David Cameron's "touchy-feely" image, and his attempts to be cool and hip - he's a blithering idiot.

    We have one Tory in a position of power right now, and that's Boris Johnson. Wow, what a good choice was made there. I'm so proud I voted for Ken Livingstone, and that the Borough I used to live in was one of the few Labour Boroughs left. That said, I left London to avoid his policies (banning alcohol on the Tube was your first policy? Great priorities...).

    Liberal Democrats on the other hand is a wasted vote, unless you're playing the tactical game. They have no experience of power, and squabble constantly at the local level.

    So who does that leave? Labour. They get bad press right now, but they've made some good (and bad I might add) choices over their time in power. I personally believe that the current "war" was something we'd be in regardless of government, as the US has too much power/influence due to our "special relationship". The economy isn't their fault, and gosh darn it, they're trying. Gordon Brown may not be the most attractive man in the world, but at least he doesn't want to hug a hoodie.
     
  12. edesignuk thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    It's just so tricky.

    As we've said, a vote for the Libs is pointless.

    I don't know if I can bring myself to vote Conservative.

    So that leaves Labour. Given how much I hate many of the things they've brought in to place (especially the invasion of all of our privacy, supposedly for our own safety), I don't know if I can back them either.

    What to do!? :confused:
     
  13. OllyW Moderator

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    Thanks Jaffa, you've saved me the bother of typing out my feelings on this matter. :D

    And peskaa and edesignuk.
     
  14. iBlue macrumors Core

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    ? :D - "For when everything just sucks and there's nothing you can do about it." Maybe that could be the new Lib-dem slogan too.
     
  15. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    Here's hoping that it's a hung parliament with the Lib Dem's cast in the role of King Makers who ensure that the Conservatives reassert our now lost civil liberties.

    I won't be casting my usual spoilt vote, instead I'll be voting to return our Independent MP to help ensure that there's no chance of Labour regaining what was supposed to be one of their safest seats in the country.

    But all I really want is for this wretched government to have lots of Portillo Moments™ the night of the election (especially in the borough of Redditch!)
     
  16. Mord macrumors G4

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    !clue, they're all twunts as far as I'm concerned.

    Labour: **** NO, putting the national back into socialism >_<

    Tories: Slimey ***** I wouldn't touch with a bargepole

    Lib dem: I'd be shooting myself in the food due to the fact that I have no desire to breed. Their policies seem far too in favour of propping up the nuclear family.

    If anything i'd probably swing lib dem, I just couldn't bring myself to feel responsible when they'd inevitably disappoint. I think they could do very well given how disillusioned people are with labour.
     
  17. djellison macrumors 68020

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    I couldn't vote Labour. They got us into this mess, and they've been lying about it, and handling it very badly.

    If the Lib Dems looked even slightly realistic in their proposals - if they looked like they'd have half a clue what to do once in power, I might vote for them - but they look like a bunch of amateurs.

    That leaves the Torys. It's so easy to cite Maggie as a reason to avoid them. If we simply measure all political parties by what their stance was 25 years ago, there isn't a single party that has ever been worth voting for. But is Cameron the right man to lead us out of this mess. I don't know.

    When the time comes, I'll email each leading candidate and ask them about a few key national and local issues, and make up my mind based on their response, and the rapidity and honesty it infers.

    But basically - I'm with the vocal majority - I don't really 'want' to vote for any of them.

    The US got to have a bold, strong election campaign, and chose between a white man, and a black man.

    All our politicians are grey.
     
  18. MOFS macrumors 65816

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    My issue with everything ATM is the Tories wouldn't have done anything very much differently financially over the last 12 years to prevent this. On the other hand, they would have ignored the NHS and lower classes to "cut taxes". As someone who works in the NHS, it is not difficult to see the improvement in the service users' (patients!) overall experience. As a northerner, it is clear to see the urban regeneration happening in the North that I fear would have been neglected by the London-centric Tories. Just look at Liverpool: I've lived there for 15 years and the work done there to bring it up to a stunning standard is unbelievable.
     
  19. Mord macrumors G4

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    ^quoted for truth, the tories *massively* **** things up for very little actual taxpayer benefit, I know people who work for the NHS and council services which have directly experienced conservative wrath.
     
  20. stomer macrumors 6502a

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    Cameron may or may make a good prime minister but I don't think I could ever vote Tory after how Thatcher treated Scotland. And plus, the Tories have a real bad habit of pushing 'family values' on the UK population. They didn't really do a great job at managing the economy either.

    I don't think Brown is doing a great job at the moment and the whole war debacle would mean that I wouldn't vote Labour. So that just leaves the Lib Dems.

    I think the Tories will win the next election, Brown isn't electable.
     
  21. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    Last election I voted for the party I wanted (Lib Dem) and ended up with the single worst MP possible, George Galloway. Whilst she was a Labour MP and partially responsible for a lot of stuff I didn't like I was happy with my previous MP Oona King. I won't make this mistake again. I will vote tactically for whoever is most likely to get rid of the stupid Respect party.
     
  22. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Given that council tax unfairly affects the single, I'm not sure how this will make it worse for them...
     
  23. peskaa macrumors 68020

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    Amen.
    I too work in the NHS (do you work at Aintree?), and it has changed in a good way under Labour. For the staff, Agenda for Change has regulated pay into a more logical system rather than a totally random lottery, and it is clear where you're headed on the scale. For the patients...well, miles better. I may think PFI is a bit dodgy if badly managed, but it has enabled the first new hospitals for decades to be built (the new Queen Elizabeth in Birmingham is a prime example) and Foundation Trust status is making a massive difference financially, and hence in treatment. Waiting lists are dropping rather than rising as they did under Tory control, and there is actually money in the system rather than crippling deficits. My Trust made a surplus last year, despite extensive new building works and expansion of services - despite being in a part of the UK where we get one of the lowest payments "per head" from the government to the PCT.

    Our healthcare system is the best in the world, and that is where it needs to stay. The media may want to tarnish it on a constant basis with slander and spin, but gosh darn it, it's far better than private healthcare all round which is what we'll end up with if the Tories get in power for a long stretch.
     
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    I would have voted Lib Dem until i saw an interview with their leader Nick Clegg today which was cringeworthy, now im going to spoil my vote paper because i dont like any party or what they stand for.

    The BNP is ridiculous and im sure you dont need me to explain why, just look at their site.
    Economic Policies: Leave the EU :rolleyes: Genius clap clap
    Immigration Policy: Oppose Mass Immigration (technically everyone in the UK is an immigrant, i dont care if you came over with the Romans, Vikings or Polish)

    The Conservaties are probably my preference but they dont seem to actually have any concrete policies :confused: It was interesting when i read a BBC article recently though which showed that during Margret Thatchers reign less miners lost their jobs than any Prime Minister before or since, infact most miners lost their jobs under Labour leaderships. Also fundamentally im not a very conservative person, i would say im socialist but new labour have tained that word and made it sound like something to be embarrassed of.

    Lib Dems, well as i said in the interview Nick Clegg is promoting a £700 income tax deduction for every person which isnt going to happen, i dont like people who make promises they know they cant keep just to make headlines and get votes. The economy is in £160billion of debt and we need to get real, only tax is going to pay that off, and it needs paying off before anything else, before tax cuts, before public service spending, everything. He thinks he's going to be able to achieve it by taxing rich people more, but he forgets one thing, its called offshore bank accounts and leaving the country.

    Labour, well they lied too much for me to trust them anymore with the leadership. I'm not happy about the pay rises the MP's are getting of around 6% when nurses for example are getting less than 2%. I dont like their terrorism laws, i dont like the fact they increased the length of time a criminal suspect can be held up to 42 days and then it gets used in cases that have nothing to do with terrorism. I dont like the fact that members of the police and other public services cant be members of the BNP too, not because i support the BNP as i find the notion of the BNP abhorrent, but i believe its anyone's absolute right to be completely free to believe in whatever political ideal they desire. Its as if Labour wants to tell you how to think politically, and thats wrong. Also their idea of socialism is fundamentally flawed and needs fixing due to being based around jealousy among other things, but im not going to start a philosophy lecture here. At the end of the day labour is the party in power and they have to be held accountable for their actions, they cant keep blaming other people and previous administrations, children do that.

    I honestly believe its time for a new party, one where the MP's get weekly independent lie detector tests so we know whats really going on, and where MP's pay rises are based on teachers and nurses pay rises, but hey, power corrupts so thats never going to happen. I dont even feel proud to say im British anymore, and that saddens me
     
  25. firestarter macrumors 603

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    Council tax is unfair for the single. I'm paying for a lot of services I never use, and I only get 25% discount compared to a large family using local schools, playgroups etc.

    On the LibDem income tax based scheme I calculated that my council tax would increase by over THREE TIMES what I currently pay.

    You should vote for George next time 'round. Even though he's clearly a prize twunt, helping to vote another Labour politician in won't help anyone.

    e - I respect your thoughtfulness on the issue. It's difficult in the 2 1/2 party system we have to find a party that truly represents you. Although I've always leant towards the Conservatives, as a libertarian Europhile they haven't made it easy for me. I guess my leaning is mainly due more to my ideological beliefs - I'm more for personal responsibility than state responsibility.

    I'll also admit that the last Tory government ran out of ideas and needed to be ousted. Perversely many of their worst traits were then taken on by Blair, along with a lot of expensive social baggage. He and Brown have also presided over an unpleasant corrupt, controlling insidious state that's trampled our civil liberties and squandered our money. They need to go as soon as possible.

    I do actually believe that there's some goodness in politicians. I don't believe that you enter politics to do harm, I think a lot of these people really want to make a positive difference. Once in power though they become corrupted and afraid of being voted out - their principles go out the window.

    Whatever your politics, I don't think we've yet seen a political party that can hold power over a very long period (>10 years) without compromising themselves. The conclusion is that we need a change every couple of elections, whichever direction that change has to take us.
     

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