UK ISPs censor Wikipedia page

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  1. PowerFullMac macrumors 601

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    Sorry if this has been posted already, I did a search and couldnt find anything.

    Article on BBC


    This is mad! Its even blocked on my iPhone (when doing through the O2 internet connection)
     

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  2. chilipie macrumors 6502a

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    S'ridiculous, frankly. The 'tards haven't even blocked the image itself, only that particular page - the image is still perfectly accessible from other pages on Wikipedia.

    The other thing I really don't like is returning an Error 403, implying that it's Wikipedia's servers that aren't working. They should at least have the guts to say they've censored it.

    (My ISP is Virgin, FWIW)
     
  3. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    FYI, 404 is not found. They say "403 Forbidden".

    I'll bet RCA is surprised to find out this morning that they are in the pr0n business. :eek:

    I would get a time-out, or worse, if I posted it, so I won't.

    Let me just say that, to me, it depicts the social phenomonum of younger and younger children loosing their virginity. :(
     
  4. nick9191 macrumors 68040

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    I accessed it fine.

    I can understand why some would want it blocked.
     
  5. PowerFullMac thread starter macrumors 601

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    What ISP you on?

    I think the worst thing is that they never censored the Amazon page or any other sites page with the album art on it, only Wikipedia because its a charity. :mad:
     
  6. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Agreed, I just googled it and it came up fine. But like nick9191, I understand why some people would want it blocked.
     
  7. chilipie macrumors 6502a

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    I know, I said Error 403 :)

    ...thus implying it's Wikipedia not letting you access the page, not your ISP.
     
  8. Loge macrumors 68020

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    Hope these ISPs don't have adverts claiming they offer the "whole internet" :p

    But the real problem is that using proxy servers like that is effectively banning users of those ISPs from making any edits to regular pages on wikipedia, because their IP address is a generic one.
     
  9. Phil A. Moderator

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    According to the IWF, they took advice from the police, so anyone in the UK would be well advised not to go looking for this picture...
    On a similar note, a guy in Australia has just been convicted on Child Sex offences for possessing some lewd cartoons of Simpsons Characters (link is to the story on the Register, not the actual images...).
     
  10. PowerFullMac thread starter macrumors 601

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    That's mad! It's Simpsons for Gods sake, why the hell is that illegal?

    It's also stupid that the UK government are outlawing some types of porn... Where the **** is freedom of speech gone these days?!?!
     
  11. Jaffa Cake macrumors Core

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    One of the ISPs affected is our local provider, Karoo – and due to a quirk of history, Karoo is the only ISP we can actually get here. So what this means is that the only place in the country where you can't edit or create Wikipedia pages about stuff related to Hull is, er... Hull.
     
  12. dmr727 macrumors G3

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    Wait a minute.
    Holy crap.

    The Scorpions are from Germany???
     
  13. nick9191 macrumors 68040

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    Pipex
     
  14. takao macrumors 68040

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    and ironically they aren't really popular there ... while they fill up stadiums in south america and asia they have problems with filling up a club in their hometown

    oh and some might argue the replacement cover to be _more_ offensive .. since it is a photograph of the band ;)
    http://www.amazon.de/Virgin-Killer-Scorpions/dp/B0000073NK/

    edit: can our affected Uk users check if they still can reach the album cover of
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevermind
    by Nirvana ;)
     
  15. GSMiller macrumors 68000

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    I wondered the exact same thing after hearing they blocked The Scorpions' cover.
     
  16. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    I remember that one.

    Drown-proofing for money. The bastards.
     
  17. EricNau Moderator emeritus

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    Are you joking?

    Porn depicting children is outlawed because the children are being exploited; they simply aren't old enough to make such decisions for themselves.
     
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  19. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Are you really advocating that, on the underlying issue, genuine child pornography (not things like this picture that have never been traditionally considered pornography, but actual pornography) should be legal?

    Wow, just wow.
     
  20. AmbitiousLemon Moderator emeritus

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    He is not referring to child porn at all. He is referring to sections 62-67 of the Criminal Justice Act of 2008
     
  21. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Ahh, okay. Given the context, you could perhaps forgive the mistake, coming from an American who isn't completely up on everything legal and British. :eek:

    That being said, don't at least a couple of these types of porn images (the ones that are essentially snuff and necro, on their list) generally constitute things that have been illegal in many countries for many years? The imminent harm to genitalia aspect seems like it would be open to judicial abuse pretty readily, though. Anyway, I'm not saying I particularly support your law... I'm just curious. Is this an actual departure from previous practice in the UK?
     
  22. AmbitiousLemon Moderator emeritus

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    I'm American so its not my law.

    The main opposition to this law lies in that it is making images illegal that are merely faking said acts. Many popular movies for example have scenes that would be classified as extreme porn under this new law. It is making illegal images of acts that themselves are legal (since it is fake/acting). The other objection to the law is that it is extremely vague. It does make exceptions for images produced by the BBC and other major film makers, but does note that taken out of context clips from such films could still be illegal.

    I also find it amusing how they make sex with an animal illegal - think someone ought to tell them that people are animals.
     
  23. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    "Non-human animal" would be, erm, more accurate. ;)
     
  24. PowerFullMac thread starter macrumors 601

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    I wasent referring to child porn, I was referring a seperate law.

    Edit: the one AmbitiousLemon said.
     
  25. Peace macrumors Core

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    Although I don't like The Scorpions. Hate heavy metal. This is akin to Led Zepplin's House's Of The Holy.

    Wiki that and see what you get.:rolleyes:

    In otherwords it's frackin art. And I see a big difference between art and pornography.

    Obviously, draconian law makers don't.
     

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