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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Macky-Mac, Nov 18, 2007.
hmmmm, what are you Brits up to now??
from a BBC report; the full report
Is there anyone outside his immediate family that would miss Robert Mugabe?
HMG threw Ian Smith to the wolves; I rather doubt there's been any major epiphany in Merrye Olde England.
At the rate things are going in Africa, at some point Zimbabwe and South Arica could have a championship football match, calling it the Toilet Bowl. Mugabe could go down to the plumber's and be a Plumber's Friend.
The only way Mugabe would be missed would be if the sights were misaligned. That nutzoidal lunatic is the perfect candidate for retroactive birth control.
Hook, line and sinker. They'd never suspect the PPP to be the true culprits...
The Zimbabwean government is completely crackers.
Wow! I never knew Zimbabwe is an Oil-producing country?
Isn't that what gets Western governments all concerned about "human rights violations" and looking for excuses to invade and overthrow?
Pity Zimbabwe only has Tobacco
not exacty an in-demand commodity these days.
These are currently South Africa's glory years. You wait until Zuma takes over, then you'll see just how good ZA has it now.
So you reckon Mbeki is not going to get his life-presidency?
Not with Jacob waiting in the wings. Not a chance.
I guess I have to agree… either way it isn't going to be pretty.
There's no way the UK could invade any country these days - it just doesn't have a large enough resources to mount such an operation ( Army, RAF, Navy ). Also there's Iraq and Afganistan commitments.
It couldn't mount another Falklands operation if required.
The UK policy is that it won't go to war on its own - only with other countries participating.
Mugabe blames everyone but himself. Zim. used to be the food bowl of the region.. until they took over the white farms. Strangely (NOT!!), the white farm owners didn't want to help the new owners... Mugable, through its stupidity alone has crippled that country.
"...the white farm owners didn't want to help the new owners..."
Sorta hard to help when you're run out of your ancestral home, or have any advice ignored. The handwriting on the wall was obvious many, many years ago. My question has always been why didn't the white farmers bail out ASAP? It was patently obvious they were doomed.
When you enter into kleptocracy, thugocracy or a Chavez-style socialism, an economy is pretty much gone to the toilet.
It should be remembered that the ancestors of the "white farm owners" stole the land in the first place.
However, the British Government offered money to Zimbabwe to buy back the land from the then current owners, which would have allowed the farm workers to continue producing food from the land itself, only working for the Zim Government rather than a private individual. Mugabe however felt that this would be rewarding the farm owners for their forefathers' theft so sent in his lieutenants, who not only ran the owners off the land but prevented those that had worked for them from working it afterwards. As a result, food production fell through the floor, and the Zim economy headed down the porcelain bowl.
"Stole" the land? The long-extant problem with that sort of idea is that if land is not being used or lived on but merely travelled across, who "owns" it?
The history of civilization is transitioning from nomadism to agrarian. The only difference between Area A and Area B is the timeline.
So, your group moves into unutilized lands which are suitable for farming and ranching and you establish a culture. A few generations later and you feel like you are as much a part of that land as anybody on earth could be. You really don't want a bunch of outsider town-clowns coming in to try to wipe out your lifestyle, to ruin your world.
We had the same sort of problem in the U.S., when the farmers started moving into country which previously had only been used for ranching.
And who'd want to be a government employee under a Mugabe? That would exemplify the same smarts as opting for major surgery without anesthetic.
The entire world didn't develop as the USA did. Zimbabwe was the centre of the Mutapa Empire long before the Portuguese started the European settlements in the area. It had two staples to its economy, agriculture and gold mining. So the land was "stolen" in this case.
Well said. Bravo.
Surely most countries have a policy that they only go to war when there are other participants?
First time I've heard of it!
Just some crackpot accusation from a crackpot dictatorship.
Too right. And they could invade in 45 minutes too
No need to "sex up" the thread
Interesting point here about "nomadism" and "agrarian",that fact being the nomads (hunter gatherers) stayed essentially in their own areas,the agrarians on the other hand have wandered and plundered the face of the earth.So you can see " nomads" is a bit of a false title.
As for the white farmers in Zimbabwe (and South Africa and many other countries) tossing them out of the country with nothing would be my preferred solution.
Yep, I don't blame them for not helping either... they'd be pretty bloody bitter.
Read the article, the British government did actually talk about a possible invasion, and seek advise from the army. Though I'd expect it was fairly routine. Mugabe is even more senile than GWBush.
I did read the article, and your point in bold is the key. They have plans for just about every scenario, probably including throwing nukes around. Possibly even at our allies. It's good to plan for every possible scenario, however absurd it may be, when it comes to war.
This certainly doesn't mean there's any intention to carry those plans out... someone once holding a discussion about it with Mr Blair doesn't constitute an intended invasion IMO.
Not that I'd oppose the idea of taking down that murdering scum, preferably through careful assassinations rather than wading in killing everything in sight like we did with Iraq.
so then what?
Food production in Africa is always a desperate affair even with well-organised farms
Just rely on food-Aid?
A Shamba-system doesn't feed a hungry nation.
Oh and on a related note
Ian Smith dead.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7104552.stm
That's not a solution to any problem. It's simply a racist vendetta.
Whatever happened with revolutionaries and their opposition to racism? That used to be a key tennet of any revolutionary's program, but now it seems so many have embraced positions that promote ethnic and racial hatred.
It's like the world has gone backwards.