Ukraine MP punches rival's face in Parliament

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  1. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    I predict this is where the US Congress is headed in the coming years, since US politics is so grossly divided these days. US is so ideologically divided that neither party is willing to work with the other any more. Instead, party loyalties dictate that you view the rival party as "the enemy that needs to be destroyed".

    Has it happened before in recent memory? Fistfights during a Senate session? A House session?


    Video: November 14, 2016, courtesy of YouTube
     
  2. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    If we go there in the US it wouldn't be the first time its happened here.
     
  3. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    Ahhh the Russians. Have a nice little brawl and then sit back down and continue with work.
     
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  5. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    Ukrainians, @A.Goldberg, Ukrainians. Not, um, Russians.

    Not only is it not the first time fisticuffs have broken out in a parliament, - any parliament - it is not the first time that fisticuffs have broken out in the Ukrainian parliament in Kiev.
     
  6. Solomani thread starter macrumors 68030

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    True. But if Team Putin-Trump get their way…. those politicians above will indeed be "Russians", since Ukraine would be wiped off the map (and annexed into Russia proper, just like in Czarist times).
     
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    No.

    An aside: Ukraine's borders in Tsarist times are not Ukraine's borders now. Stalin moved the the borders - the eastern and western borders both - of the country several hundred miles further west - which is part of the reason for the very stark, and striking political & cultural fault line running through it which recent events have thrown into sharp relief, and along which the country has split.

    Anyway, Ukraine will not "be wiped off the map".

    However, I very much doubt that it will survive in its current form.

    Just as the west of the country - Ukraine - will never accept the idea (or possible unwelcome reality) of Russian suzerainty, the east of Ukraine will not tolerate a political existence that does not acknowledge their ties to Russia, political, cultural, economic - and - this is key - religious.

    Apart from that, neither part of the country accepts - or allows - or recognises - the ascribed identity of the other.

    A split has long been inevitable; whether it is permanent, is another question.

    Long term, the political solution will require the construction of a form of political architecture that allows for the expression of two distinct cultural and political identities. Otherwise, Ukraine as a unitary state is doomed.

    If that cannot be constructed, - and it might take decades and will require mutual recognition of national narratives deemed repugnant by the other side - (commie dinosaur retards versus corrupt fascist pigs) - then the only alternative is two Ukraines - howsoever that institutional infrastructure is imagined.

    While Georgia's dilemma is whether it prioritises territorial integrity or national sovereignty, (it cannot do both, or, it can but without any meaningful political progress - it will not be accepted as a credible partner with frozen, or congealed, conflicts), Ukraine's goes far further.

    However, for Ukraine, the uncomfortable choice between territorial integrity or national sovereignty is but one dilemma; the second is how to reconcile the recognition of two national narratives - each despised by the other. And the third is to accommodate the realty of Russian history and politics and cultural imperatives - Russia will go to the wire on Ukraine in a way that it will for nowhere else in the post Soviet space and has already done so.
     
  8. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    Haha oops. Ukrainians*

    I will generalize with Slavic people :D

    Are they speaking Russian or Ukrainian?
     
  9. CE3 macrumors 6502a

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    Sorry to get off-topic, but is that a row of laptops on the table? No race the make the thinnest & lightest in the Ukraine!
     
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  11. yaxomoxay macrumors 68000

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    Italian parliament is more prone to alcohol and deli....

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    although sometimes you have your occasional fight:

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    which usually brings someone to the verge of death....

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    LOL here we'll leave the Congress to straight fisticuffs, as our deli might not be all that exceptional.
     
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    yeah American deli meat sucks. Big time; In Italy nobody would even feed the cats with the deli you find here.
    However, US Congress can go for a steak-fight...
     
  14. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    I'd be happy if they'd just cross aisles and invite each other to a burger joint now and then.
     
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    They do, behind closed doors. That's how they share donors' friends...and money.
     
  16. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Seriously then they overpaid for the entire menu this year, no? :D
     
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    ahahahah
     
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    In the US, we're more prone to gun duels.

    February 24, 1838: U.S. Representative from Kentucky William Jordan Graves killed U.S. Representative from Maine Jonathan Cilley in a pistol duel. Afterwards, Congress passed a law making it illegal to issue or accept a duel challenge in Washington, D.C
     
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    I bet he would have thought twice before punching the mayor of Kiev in the face.
     
  20. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    Dude is pushing his punches. He needs to snap them and punch through his target and not at his target.
     
  21. Solomani thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Ever tried Boar's Head tho?
     
  22. yaxomoxay macrumors 68000

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    yeah. It's an improvement, still far from what I found at an average deli in Italy...
     

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