Up To 38,000 Other Planets In Our Galaxy With Intelligent Life

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  1. skunk macrumors G4

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7870562.stm
    And funnily enough they are all convinced that the god of the terrestrial Jews created the universe especially for them. Boy are they in for a surprise!
     
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    Can you please point me to one so I can leave this one ? :p
     
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    Head towards Pluto, turn left, then next right, carry on straight ahead for 3 light-years and ask the first policeman you find. You can't miss it.
     
  4. gotzero macrumors 68040

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    Is "civilizations" spelled differently in the UK?
     
  5. skunk thread starter macrumors G4

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    It is spelled with an "s" in all civilised countries.
     
  6. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    ^^^ beaten and by a vastly better quip.

    No. Only in the US.
     
  7. skunk thread starter macrumors G4

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    Perfect. :p
     
  8. és: macrumors 6502a

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    :D

    Brilliant.

    I hope you're not implying what I think you're implying? That this planet has intelligent life.
     
  9. gotzero macrumors 68040

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    Well, I learned something new today. Thanks!
     
  10. Peace macrumors P6

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    Just the opposite ;)
     
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    I don't really see how anyone can make wild estimates like this about other worlds when we know so little about the development of our own. To assume Earth is an average case makes no sense as it is the only case we know. We have no idea where we sit on the bell curve, and to assume any location upon it makes no sense.
     
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    Equally, to assume there is no bell curve makes no sense, and the existence of even one other civilisation in the universe, let alone 38,000 in our galaxy, makes the entire anthropocentric premise of monotheism of any flavour entirely invalid .
     
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    Show me the other "people" on the other planets and I'll believe it. Until then it's pure hypothesis.
     
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    This reminds me of the The Drake Equation.

    I wonder what qualifies as an intelligent civilization? Between 321 and 38000 is quite a large range. You can bet if there is any intelligent life out there they probably believe their gods are just as real.
     
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    That's funny: that's probably exactly what they are saying, too.

    The bar is evidently set quite low if we qualify.
     
  16. Peace macrumors P6

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    Perhaps but that too is hypothesis.;)
     
  17. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Between 361 and 38 000 is a pretty big margin for error :D!

    And my goodness the journal publishes some awesome papers. Haven't found this one yet but some of the other articles in fascinating. I should be doing some work but I've found a way to fritter away the afternoon :)!

    check out these article titles;

    Survival of seeds in hypervelocity impacts

    Amino acid synthesis in Europa's subsurface environment

    Bloody rain again! Red rain and meteors in history and myth

    The galactic cycle of extinction

    Use of non-thermal atmospheric plasmas to reduce the viability of Bacillus subtilis on spacecraft surfaces

    That's some cool stuff :cool:! And my library has a subscription :D!
     
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    There is no reason to doubt the existence of other civilisations except that it would upset our own presumptuous arrogation of uniqueness.
     
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    As long as they have good beer,coffee and pot I'm ok with it.

    Apple better start boosting the range of the AEBS too!!
     
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    I feel I have reason to doubt any publication that is spouting apparently random numbers for how much intelligent life fills our galaxy/universe. Especially considering how very little we know about planets outside of our solar system.

    As far as I am aware we have never found a planet by any means that would likely support any sort of life as we know it (nasa is deploying a huge satalite in a few months to look planets just like these.

    Considering our limited knowledge anyone claiming they know aproximately how many intelligent species exist on other planets is about as arrogant as claiming to know the one true god.

    Congratulations organized religions of any kind do not make any logical or eve illogical sense. They have and will continue to ignore this fact no matter what happens so we can all probably stop trying to nail them with reason and go on with our lives.

    Edit: To be fair the article does point out that its really just one big guess, but you don't mention that in your thread title.
     
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    Let me guess our public education system ranks us in the bottom 50 planets for intelligence.

    Either that or the brain gelling TV networks.
     
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    We cant we wont be able to in your life time we might never be able to. The sad fact is everything else out there is very very far away and unless we discover some way of traveling outside of physics as we know it today we wont be visiting any of the planets we discover anymore.

    That doesn't mean that some of them don't have life we just cant get to them/see them very well. Statistically speaking someone else is out there right now thinking roughly the same thoughts as you...but we'll never meet them.
     
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    What in the article methodology leads you to the conclusion that it's nothing more than "spouting random numbers"?
     
  24. AP_piano295 macrumors 65816

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    Its in the article.
    Its also common sense considering we know practically nothing about the universe. Or even a lot/most of the process as to how life develops how fragile it is what other forms it can take what other environments it can survive in.

    As I said we've never found another planet like ours (admittedly we don't know about many which is part of my point) We don't know if a planet needs to be like ours to support life we just do not know A LOT.

    So any precise estimations like this one (and yes I count 1 to 30,000 percise considering the size of our universe) to be statistically insignificant drivel aka. "spouting random numbers".

    Edit: For what its worth I get the impression that the researcher is perfectly aware of how statistically insignificant his data is. To me it seems more like a project in universal modeling and prediction tools considering some new scientific data.
     
  25. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    That's not the peer-reviewed scientific article. That's a newspaper quote from a journalist.

    Common sense counts for nothing when it comes to science. Impartial and verified experimentation, observation, and logical conclusions is what counts. Taking things as common sense oft leads one to make incorrect assumptions.

    I suggests you read the actual article in question and direct your critique towards it's methodology. At the moment your argument of it being drivel is just that. Drivel.

    You might be absolutely right in your conclusions but your reasoning thus far doesn't pass muster.
     

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