US Marines Test All-Male Squads Against Mixed-Gender Ones – And The Results Are Bleak

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    The average woman is not as strong as the average man. News at 11.

    The real argument is to let women do jobs that they are qualified for. Not to risk lives by allowing them to do jobs that they are not qualified for. If Brienne of Tarth is qualified for combat, don't prevent her from doing the job because she is a woman.
     
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    When has one study been sufficient? We have over 10,000 studies showing global climate change is caused by human activities and there are still deniers on the right.
     
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    Israel was/is surrounded by enemies that want to annihilate them. Every trigger puller counts in that kind of situation. Unnecessary male deaths > Total destruction.
     
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    Yeah, but that's not what happens in the US. People want things equal regardless of ability or qualifications. Otherwise charges of sexism, misogyny, prejudice are thrown around like they're nothing.
     
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    I'm sure there are some. But the most common arguments are for equal rights and equal pay for equal work.
     
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    different training standards.
     
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    As much of a liberal as I am, I agree. It should be best person for the job, not an artificial 50:50 gender split.
     
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    What do you need explained?
     
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    Well, yes, if we pull the right set of metrics, then we can paint a picture that a woman is not qualified to do much of anything other than be barefoot and pregnant in a kitchen or fetching beers for her unemployed factory worker boyfriend. For example, if the metric is penis size, well, of course, women would never make the cut. Then again, half of the tough guys we have in this forum wouldn't be qualified for much either.

    However, if you take a step backwards, you can look at the current conflict today in the Middle East - Kurdish women are doing more than their share of the fighting. Are you saying American women are inferior to Kurdish women? Or how about the other countries that allow women in combat roles? Are American women inferior to Australian women? Canadian women? Germans? French? Surely American women are not inferior to French women who come from a surrender first culture, no?
     
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    The YPJ seem to do alright in the fight against ISIS.

    I understand the point this test is meant to prove, but it doesn't necessarily mean women are no good for any combat roles.
     
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    I imagine this is why the US won the Vietnam war - with all the women in the Viet Cong, the Americans barely had to do anything to suppress the insurgency.

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    What is this artificial 50:50 gender split you speak of?
     
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    We "lost" the war because of weak willed politicians. The NVA was on the brink of collapse after the Tet Offensive. War is one of those things that you don't do half way. It's also one of those things that we should only fall back to as a last resort.
     
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    I agree that the military should be about the best man (or woman) for the job. Actually, I feel that way about all jobs. Some people say that makes me a fake liberal. But I truly believe hiring should be about merit, not about filling quotas. Not to say there is a "woman quota" here, but let's be real: unlike most other jobs, the military can be life or death. So we really shouldn't be playing around with forced diversity, but neither should be excluding people who ARE qualified but aren't the right gender or whatever (certainly the military used to be segregated by race and we all know that was crap. So the same could apply here).
     
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    You seem young. I see you eventually leaning right. You should, we have cookies.;)
     
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    Who is arguing against equal pay for equal work? From what I've seen the argument stops at equal pay.
     
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    Noooooo! :eek:

    I just turned 19, and essentially I've always been fairly moderate, but left-leaning. I've been condemned by both sides (when they are more extreme) and it's frustrating. I'm no fence-sitter, I have pretty clear opinions on most issues, but they just don't happen to line up with any one "party line". Either way, I'm open to my opinions changing and refining as I get older. It's happened before and it'll happen again.
     
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    You seem old and to have an abundance of testosterone.
     
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    That's how you know you're doing something right.
    Want to borrow some?
     
  20. kobalap, Aug 8, 2017
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    I don't lean right. I am fully on the right.

    This isn't about best person for the job. It's about measuring the right things to determine who is right for the job. What you propose is to keep women out of combat positions, not because an individual woman can't "do the job", its because on average, a woman is not as strong as a man.

    I'll take a woman who is fully committed to the cause over any man who doesn't know what he is fighting for. Which, incidentally, is why we would have lost in Vietnam even if the entire NVA and Viet Cong were all women. They were committed to the cause.


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    That's because you have to expand what you think of as "jobs" beyond digging ditches.
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    I suspect a lot of Cialis and Rogaine.
     
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    Female snipers/marks(wo)men were among the most deadly warriors in the Soviet army in WWII. There kills weren't just cannon fodder either. Some killed multiple Wehrmacht snipers. Lyudmila Pavlichenko killed 306 enemy combatants, 36 of whom were snipers.

    Anyone who thinks women can't be good soldiers because they ain't as strong as men. Well, it doesn't take much physical strength to pull a trigger. It does take a mental toughness that men do not monopolize.

    I'm a guy and not particularly weak (bench 220lbs, dead lift 250lbs), but I would make a terrible soldier. I'm a coward, allergic to pain:oops:, and a pacifist. Every woman in the military would make a better soldier than me...and every loud mouth who has never served his country.
     
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    The people who argue that women just want equal pay without doing equal work...

    ... Like you.
     
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    This answers nothing that was asked. Expected.
     

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