US want's to put a backdoor in all security software for wiretapping

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  1. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm dissapointed that Obama is turning out to be similar to Bush on wiretapping, not that McCain would have been any better.

    From EFF
    And New York Times
     
  2. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    Is this the harbinger of further trouble for RIM, or has Jim Balsillie made a hidden deal with the CIA??? :mad:
     
  3. chrmjenkins macrumors 603

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    I hoped that Obama would have been different on things like the Patriot Act. Since he didn't campaign on it, I didn't expect much though. I wish the government would commission the pentagon to do a study on how much actionable intelligence this has actually gathered for the US above what warranted tapping could do.

    If they deem it essential to national security, they should have to prove it.
     
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    :mad:

    It's not going to work, of course, but he can still **** off on this.
     
  5. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    god I hope they do not push this crap and if it is it gets fought by the security companies and software makers in court and hopefully have the courts throw it out. The Government should not have access to my private communications with out a warrant. Also any backdoor put in someone else can easily hack.

    Either way this just proves more to me that nothing has changed in the terms of the president besides the face. it is the same scumbag trying rip us off and watch our every move.
     
  6. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    Different puppet, same puppet master. No, my tinfoil hat ain't on too tight.:p

    Yet another reason I won't use security software. What next? Subdermal ID/GPS chips in every US citizen?:rolleyes: Big Brother is getting too big for his britches.:mad:
     
  7. paddy macrumors 6502a

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    Was gonna post a thread on this.

    Why aren't the Tea Party protesting this? Or is it just a three percent tax hike on the richest that is stripping us of liberty?
     
  8. leekohler macrumors G5

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    This is pure BS. Is there anyone starting a petition yet?
     
  9. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Doesn't matter if it comes from a Dem or a Neocon... it's Pure Progressive Big-Government Big-Brother Bullcrap.
    Like Bush's Patriot Act all over again. Screw liberty, screw privacy, government knows best and government will protect you... whether you like it or not. Yet another reason I'll be caucusing for Ron Paul if he runs in 2012.

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  10. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Ron Paul is a Republican. How is he any different from the party he has been a member of his entire professional career?

    I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and give him some credit for many of his controversial votes even though many were against things the GOP supported, but that he knew were passing anyway. That being said, how many controversial bills failed due to his vote against the GOP? How many GOP bills failed by one vote, where he was the vote?

    By the way, you and the tea party and pretty much every republican have run from the names GOP and Republican ever since GWB sullied those names. GWB wasn't a "neocon," he was a Republican. He was exactly what the Republicans and conservatives and today's teaparty elected.

    (edit) On your image, it's not the government beating you down, it's the law and order police crowd (mostly conservatives).
     
  11. Counterfit macrumors G3

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    How is this in any way Progressive?
     
  12. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Everything bad is progressive, socialist, marxist, neocon and anti-capitalist in the pro-Ron Paul mindset, even if not supported by progressives, socialists, or marxists.

    (edit) Speaking of which, I wonder what he's growing on his farm!
     
  13. yojitani macrumors 68000

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    Funny, during the election campaigning I got into a bit of a discussion with one of the Obama door-to-door salespeople about wiretapping. He assured me that Obama had no choice at the time (when he voted in favor of protecting companies from prosecution etc) and that wiretapping wasn't a policy he was going to pursue. The conversation went nowhere since I was judging him (Obama) by past behavior and the salesman was judging Obama by his promises. About a week later I received an 8 page letter with an article attached basically reassuring me that wiretapping wasn't going to be pursued and might even be restricted.

    No matter how you vote, the government still gets in.
     
  14. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Frankly, Mcrain, I've explained this to you far too many times already. You've already admitted that Ron Paul is far from your 'average' Republican, and that he often splits with them on important votes (voted against the Patriot Act, voted against the Iraq War), but you continue to ignore these things seemingly because you simply don't want to admit that you like a Republican. GW and BO both support the Patriot Act, and I bet they both support this internet bill as well. Do you have any doubt that Ron Paul doesn't? If so, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. If you can't see the obvious and glaring benefits of having a true small-government advocate (even if exclusively for instances like this) in government... then it's hopeless to try and explain further.




    U.S. Progressivism is the single most effective ideology in the past 100 years to promote and secure the massive growth of government in this country. This form of progressivism belittles personal responsibility and creates a populous which is reliant on it's government from cradle to grave. When you grow one part of government, you grow all parts. When you feed the monster, you get bitten.




    You certainly can't rely on the two-party system, that's for sure. There are small-government advocates out there but until the citizenry wakes up and pays attention more as a whole... they'll continue to be few and far between. The Tea Party is helping to bring some of these small-government advocates out of the woodwork... I just hope this trend continues and the movement can be kept out of the co-opting hands of the progressives and neo cons.
     
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    Does this mean you believe in U.S. regressivism and how would that differ from other regressivisms?
     
  16. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Does this mean that you're incapable of drawing actual real-world conclusions based on people's actions when presented with the far easier (albeit completely inaccurate and worthless) approach of using the root of the word itself to describe it's meaning and practical application? :confused: ;)
     
  17. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    It isn't remotely. It's pure authoritarianism.

    This isn't just a terrible idea from a human rights perspective. It is an unworkable cluster**** of an idea from a security perspective. A mandatory unified back door to everything is a single point of failure for every cryptosystem in the nation, and an attackable surface area as large as can be imagined. Look at how hard it is to keep the master key for Blu-Ray discs secret. Same problem, except the stakes are many orders of magnitude higher than somebody copying a few movies. Even if no one leaks the key, you've got an enormous amount of computing power in the world that can be applied to cracking one secret, which can be tested against any device, and once one succeeds, they all fall and every cryptosystem must be replaced to undo the damage at a cost in the billions.

    Worse, with that vulnerability firmly in place for law-abiding citizens, I as a hypothetical criminal could easily implement any of a number of cryptographic algorithms from scratch without building in the mandatory back door. Oh no, is that a crime? Heavens, I'd better protect evidence of my criminal activity with something legal. Most criminals aren't smart enough to do that, but most criminals aren't smart enough to use encryption at all for the same people most people generally aren't.

    To paraphrase Bruce Schneier, if you think there is a cryptographic solution to your problem, then you don't understand cryptography and you don't understand your problem.
     
  18. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    In related news...

     
  19. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    When you are in public, you don't have an expectation of privacy. If a person could follow your car, then a GPS device does nothing more intrusive but allow the following to be done from a safer distance.

    (Mind you, that's coming from a defense attorney who can't stand this type of intrustion, but hey, that's the law as determined by 20/30 years of conservative, law&order, anti-crime judicial appointments.)

    (edit) BTW, not giving you a copy of the search warrant is NOT the same as not needing a search warrant, merely that it is under seal so that you, the suspect, aren't aware of the investigation.
     
  20. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    Please enlighten me then what is U.S. progressivism (aside from a term of abuse by the type of right wing lunatics you apparently agree with). I love the bolting together language used by some U.S. people where instead of making a case for your argument in clear precise words you need to invent infantile labels in an attempt to fool others into believing you are saying anything other than utter and complete bollocks.
     
  21. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Let's call it what it is. Propaganda.

    http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/proptech.htm
     
  22. mrkramer thread starter macrumors 603

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    I'm pretty sure you use some of the software that this covers, do you really not use either facebook, skype, a Blackberry, or any other service that uses encryption?
    From the NYT article in my OP:
     
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  24. mrkramer thread starter macrumors 603

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    I hadn't heard about that, but it wouldn't surprise me, I've seen some news articles talking about how Microsoft helps Russia silence opposition by claiming they pirated software even if they didn't. It was in a printed newspaper so I don't have a link though.
     
  25. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    Unless the program used for MR forum falls under one of those categories, I'm clean.:)

    Butt nekkid OS for me, buddy. My machine runs faster that way. Any virus and I nuke the drive and restore from a fresh install clone. So far, I've only had to wipe my drive once in the pass 3 years...knock on my mother-in-law's head.;)

    Oh wait. Gmail doesn't use any encryption does it? Nuts. You can't fight city hall, as the saying goes.:mad:

    Good thing I fought my IT dept to let me stay on XP at work.:)
     

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