USA downgraded from "full democracy" to "flawed democracy" in 2016 democracy index

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  1. macmee, Jan 25, 2017
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    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...316085-us-no-longer-considered-full-democracy

    here is the list:

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    Good. The form of government of the USA is a Constitutional Republic.
     
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    The United States is not a democracy. It is a Republic.
     
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    This isn't news to most of us. Obama's legislating via executive order fiat was about as far from a representative republic based on democratic principles as you can get.
     
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    But EOs are OK when Trump does it, right?
     
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    Yet your ok for the Donald doing it.
     
  8. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    Obama's out you're thinking of Trump.
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    Honestly who gives a damn what some index ranks us?
     
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    That provides philosophical cover for all sorts of mischief, including the abolition of elections.
     
  10. satcomer, Jan 25, 2017
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    We in the USA aren't in a pure democracy we are a representative democracy! Didn't anyone here take a history class while growing up?
     
  11. CE3 macrumors 65816

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    We've always been a flawed democracy (no system is perfect), but when the Supreme Court ruled to stop the Florida recount in 2000, I feel like that was the moment when we started moving backwards.

    Calling it a flawed democracy in 2017 is far too kind. It's hanging on by a thread.
     
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    We will soon be a Republic with a nice new wall along our southern border.
     
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    A banana republic.
     
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    I read about this last night.

    While those who have compiled the Economist Intelligence Unit's "Democracy Index" were at pains to point out that this actually predated the inauguration of Mr Trump, some of the initiatives, policies, and developments that are being proposed by Mr Trump would appear to suggest that the US could fall still further in these rankings.

    What is of interest is that - for the first time - the US, a country I would describe as a somewhat dysfunctional democracy - no longer meets the criteria - the measurements - that will allow for it to be considered a "full democracy".

    In terms of "soft power", perceptions, reputation, and the "optics" of diplomacy, this is a bit of a blow.

    For one thing, it will reduce the credibility of the US and whatever opinions the US might care to offer when subjects such as democracy are raised - and it is the sort of blow that will not go unremarked by countries which themselves are not viewed as democracies, and who view rule of law considerations as tiresome and inconvenient constraints.
     
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    Interestingly political culture is where the US has its best ranking.

    Still not a patch on Ireland which has 10.0 for both civil liberties and political culture.
     
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    "soon" bahaha.

    Remember that time the President signed an executive order to close Guantanamo Bay? Let me go check, yep, it's still open. Remember that the fake president signed an executive order to build a wall? Yep, won't happen either.
     
  18. yaxomoxay macrumors 68020

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    This table is so ridiculous. Germany 13t and full democracy? Please.
    Can you be a nazi in germany? No.
    Can you do the nazi salute in Germany? No.
    Can you post what you want on youtube? No. (it's censored).

    Please. A country in which the government can put you in jail (or fine you) for a political ideology as disgusting as it might be, ain't a "full democracy" with full civil liberties and a good political culture.
     
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    That isn't the point. I'd be shocked if any of the countries listed above us were pure democracies.
     
  20. yaxomoxay macrumors 68020

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    Switzerland is as close as you might go. Heck, they vote on how many dB are allowed for bells and phone ringtones...
     
  21. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I think the questions are more ...
    • How easy is it to register to vote?
    • Is jerrymandering a problem?
    • Are there efforts to suppress the vote of eligible voters?
    • Are there ways to confirm one's vote is accurately cast and counted?
    • If there are irregularities, are there chanels to correct them?
     
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    Democracy and freedom of speech are two completely different things.
     
  23. yaxomoxay macrumors 68020

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    Sorry, not according to the last two columns of the graph. And if you don't allow a political viewpoint - prohibiting it by law, with penalties - you're not allowing the people from choosing from the full spectrum of the political possibilities, thus denying part of what democracy needs to work, which is information.
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    1) Very easy. Took me less than five minutes.
    2) Yes.
    3) I don't think so.
    4) That's a common problem for any democracy, especially when the results are close. Every election cycle has this problem, I think that in the US we're relatively good at that.
    5) as far as I know yes, but that's a state by state issue.
     
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    Ireland does not deserve 10 for civil liberties at all. They completely prohibit abortions to the point where women die because of it.

    (sorry if you are from Ireland, but Savita should not have died and these crazy strict abortion laws murdered her)
     
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    I certainly don't.
     

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