Using Guns In Self-Defense Is Rare, Study Finds

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  1. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    well this will get the NRA panties in a twist.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/17/guns-self-defense-study_n_7608350.html
     
  2. samiwas macrumors 65816

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    I don't think Orville Redenbacher has enough production capacity for what this thread will become.
     
  3. jkcerda Suspended

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    irrelevant? VPC might as well say they are the brady campaign. if I gave you NRA numbers you would dismiss them as biased , same with VPC
     
  4. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Most that intend to commit a crime do so with factors in mind. And the factor of people in any particular area being armed, would cause an adjustment to a criminal's plans. This could be for better or worst, given the specific situation. Whether it be spur of the moment opportunist crime or planned out.
     
  5. burgundyyears macrumors 6502

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    The VPC seems almost disappointed that legally armed civilians don't kill more people. Number seems low? They go with the guns are pointless headline. Number seem high? We would have seen the "Gun owners are on a murdering rampage!" line instead. They win spinning it either way, and that's why this study isn't very interesting.
     
  6. steve knight, Jun 18, 2015
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    Sounds like you are hurt the whole guns needed for protection in not happening.
     
  7. burgundyyears macrumors 6502

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    Um...what?
     
  8. burgundyyears macrumors 6502

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    I actually looked at the "study" and it claimed there have been 0 justifiable homicides in New York over a 5 year period? That doesn't seem particularly likely? And they're missing data from Florida entirely. Not great work, really.

    It really seems like it just shows most people lawfully and peacefully own their firearms. Not sure what else to make of it.
     
  9. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Justified homicide in Florida is someone running away from you. Or a black person wearing a hoody
     
  10. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Well in New York, you need an extremely good reason to kill someone. I'm talking you better have the scars or video to show for it. There is no such thing as stand your ground, or a freak accident from a mutual fist fight.
     
  11. burgundyyears macrumors 6502

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    Apparently it is a data reporting issue. New York agencies just don't report justifiable homicides and many other states also report limited or no data:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/why-the-data-on-justifiable-homicide-just-wont-do-1725/

    I thought there were a lot of 0's in the VPC's table. Again, just kind of sloppy and incomplete. If many states can't even be bothered to report justifiable homicides, what are the chances defensive firearm uses are even being remotely accurately reported in these statistics?
     
  12. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Wow that's not good.
     
  13. burgundyyears macrumors 6502

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    The VPC fails to disclose or discuss the data problems at all in their report either. I only noticed it because I thought there were way too many 0's and strangely low numbers in the table they provided. The whole report is not an exercise in honesty or transparency.
     
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    Unless you're a cop :p
     
  15. FieldingMellish Suspended

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    What would one expect from the self-perpetuating and self-serving non-profit Violence Policy Center?

    Here is what they do:
    The Violence Policy Center(VPC) is an Americannonprofit organizationthat advocates forgun control. Founded in 1988 byJosh Sugarmann,[1]the VPC approaches violence, and firearms violence in particular, as apublic healthissue affecting the whole population, rather than solely a criminal matter.[2]

    And if you really want to whack to it, here's pages of similar stuff in About the VOC:

    http://www.vpc.org/aboutvpc.htm
     
  16. samiwas macrumors 65816

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    And how do you define the NRA?
     
  17. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    So, what do you think the real numbers are?

    Remember that National Academies report a couple of years ago showing how gun violence to reducing the life expectancy in the U.S. compared to other developed countries?

    It is "strange" how conservatives like to bring up the effect of gun violence and auto accidents on US life expectancy when discussing health care:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/11/23/the-myth-of-americans-poor-life-expectancy/

    and then choose to dismiss the issue when discussing guns.
     
  18. Meister Suspended

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    People also rarely use their fire insurance, but it's good to have one.

    Only ****ing idiots base laws on statistics.
     
  19. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    YEA! Who wants to control salmonella outbreaks based on the hard numbers, looking at the data critically, what a stupid way to make decisions. Don't they know that laws are supposed to be hip fired?
     
  20. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Policy makers would be foolish to ignore statistics while writing laws. Why do you think otherwise?
     
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    Especially from VPC.
     
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    Plenty of Policy makers have their head jammed so far up their rear it's not even funny 30 rd clips in 1/2 second and
     
  23. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Manufacturers' Advocacy Group?
     
  24. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    In other words, you don't have an argument.
     
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    Guessing you did not watch the video, those policy makers have no clue about what they are talking about
     

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