Using Guns In Self-Defense Is Rare, Study Finds

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well this will get the NRA panties in a twist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/17/guns-self-defense-study_n_7608350.html
American gun owners are far more likely to injure themselves or someone else with their firearm than to stop a criminal, according to a new study from a group calling for tighter gun control.

The study, released Wednesday by the Violence Policy Center, found there were 258 justifiable homicides involving civilians using firearms in 2012, compared with 8,342 murders by gun. Even if a criminal isn't shot down, the study found that civilians rarely use guns to protect themselves. "Intended victims of property crimes engaged in self-protective behavior with a firearm" only 0.1 percent of the times they were targeted by a crook.

The report, titled "Firearm Justifiable Homicides and Non-Fatal Self-Defense Gun Use" relied on FBI and Bureau of Justice data. The Violence Policy Center said the report disproves the premise of arguments by the National Rifle Association that more guns in the hands of regular people will reduce crime.


“The NRA has staked its entire agenda on the claim that guns are necessary for self-defense, but this gun industry propaganda has no basis in fact,” the group's executive director, Josh Sugarmann, said in a statement. “Guns are far more likely to be used in a homicide than in a justifiable homicide by a private citizen. In fact, a gun is far more likely to be stolen than used in self-defense.”

In addition to the thousands of annual murders, roughly 22,000 people die accidentally from a gun or use one to commit suicide.
 

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Most that intend to commit a crime do so with factors in mind. And the factor of people in any particular area being armed, would cause an adjustment to a criminal's plans. This could be for better or worst, given the specific situation. Whether it be spur of the moment opportunist crime or planned out.
 
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I don't think Orville Redenbacher has enough production capacity for what this thread will become.
The VPC seems almost disappointed that legally armed civilians don't kill more people. Number seems low? They go with the guns are pointless headline. Number seem high? We would have seen the "Gun owners are on a murdering rampage!" line instead. They win spinning it either way, and that's why this study isn't very interesting.
 

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The VPC seems almost disappointed that legally armed civilians don't kill more people. Number seems low? They go with the guns are pointless headline. Number seem high? We would have seen the "Gun owners are on a murdering rampage!" line instead. They win spinning it either way, and that's why this study isn't very interesting.
Sounds like you are hurt the whole guns needed for protection in not happening.
 
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I actually looked at the "study" and it claimed there have been 0 justifiable homicides in New York over a 5 year period? That doesn't seem particularly likely? And they're missing data from Florida entirely. Not great work, really.

It really seems like it just shows most people lawfully and peacefully own their firearms. Not sure what else to make of it.
 
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Justified homicide in Florida is someone running away from you. Or a black person wearing a hoody
 
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I actually looked at the "study" and it claimed there have been 0 justifiable homicides in New York over a 5 year period? That doesn't seem particularly likely? And they're missing data from Florida entirely. Not great work, really.

It really seems like it just shows most people lawfully and peacefully own their firearms. Not sure what else to make of it.
Well in New York, you need an extremely good reason to kill someone. I'm talking you better have the scars or video to show for it. There is no such thing as stand your ground, or a freak accident from a mutual fist fight.
 
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Well in New York, you need an extremely good reason to kill someone. I'm talking you better have the scars or video to show for it. There is no such thing as stand your ground, or a freak accident from a mutual fist fight.
Apparently it is a data reporting issue. New York agencies just don't report justifiable homicides and many other states also report limited or no data:

http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/why-the-data-on-justifiable-homicide-just-wont-do-1725/

I thought there were a lot of 0's in the VPC's table. Again, just kind of sloppy and incomplete. If many states can't even be bothered to report justifiable homicides, what are the chances defensive firearm uses are even being remotely accurately reported in these statistics?
 

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Apparently it is a data reporting issue. New York agencies just don't report justifiable homicides and many other states also report limited or no data:

http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/why-the-data-on-justifiable-homicide-just-wont-do-1725/

I thought there were a lot of 0's in the VPC's table. Again, just kind of sloppy and incomplete. If many states can't even be bothered to report justifiable homicides, what are the chances defensive firearm uses are even being remotely accurately reported in these statistics?
Wow that's not good.
 

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What would one expect from the self-perpetuating and self-serving non-profit Violence Policy Center?

Here is what they do:
The Violence Policy Center(VPC) is an Americannonprofit organizationthat advocates forgun control. Founded in 1988 byJosh Sugarmann,[1]the VPC approaches violence, and firearms violence in particular, as apublic healthissue affecting the whole population, rather than solely a criminal matter.[2]

And if you really want to whack to it, here's pages of similar stuff in About the VOC:

http://www.vpc.org/aboutvpc.htm
 
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well this will get the NRA panties in a twist.
I actually looked at the "study" and it claimed there have been 0 justifiable homicides in New York over a 5 year period? That doesn't seem particularly likely? And they're missing data from Florida entirely. Not great work, really.
I thought there were a lot of 0's in the VPC's table. Again, just kind of sloppy and incomplete. If many states can't even be bothered to report justifiable homicides, what are the chances defensive firearm uses are even being remotely accurately reported in these statistics?
So, what do you think the real numbers are?

The Violence Policy Center(VPC) is an Americannonprofit organizationthat advocates forgun control. Founded in 1988 byJosh Sugarmann,[1]the VPC approaches violence, and firearms violence in particular, as apublic healthissue affecting the whole population, rather than solely a criminal matter.[2]
Remember that National Academies report a couple of years ago showing how gun violence to reducing the life expectancy in the U.S. compared to other developed countries?

It is "strange" how conservatives like to bring up the effect of gun violence and auto accidents on US life expectancy when discussing health care:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/11/23/the-myth-of-americans-poor-life-expectancy/

and then choose to dismiss the issue when discussing guns.