Vatican condemns Halloween as anti-Christian

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Blue Velvet, Oct 30, 2009.

  1. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004
    I'm not a Christian so don't know what to make of this, or whether any Catholics take this seriously. Coming back through London tonight, the streets were full of Halloween-themed shopping displays and loads of people out in fancy-dress, and to me, I can't see the problem... but the Holy See can:

    Or is this pronouncement just more for show? Anyone agree with this? I'm not here to knock any Christians down who agree with the Vatican, just curious, I guess.

    Oh, and since it's now past midnight here in London... boo.
  2. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6


    Aug 17, 2007
    We celebrate Halloween but don't play it up too much. We limit our son's (he is 9) choices of costumes, don't put up scary decorations, etc. Some years, we don't do the whole trick-or-treat thing. He understands.

    We do the same thing at Christmas. We emphasize the birth of Jesus, not Santa Claus.
  3. Dane D. macrumors 6502a

    Apr 16, 2004
    I'm not a church going person, but have always questioned why the Vatican and Roman Catholics think their thoughts must be followed and adhered to. To me, the Vatican is nothing more than a bunch of old men in strange dress. Halloween means different things to different cultures. The Vatican can issue opinions all they want, it means nothing to me.
  4. Ttownbeast macrumors 65816

    May 10, 2009
    That makes me wanna TP the Vatican, put shaving cream in the popes hat, egg the sis teen chapel, take hair trimmers to his cat and set his holinesses bloomers on fire--BTW tonight is Devils Night :D
  5. bradl macrumors 68040


    Jun 16, 2008
    So the big, bad, high & mighty Catholic higher-ups are condemning the Halloween that the entertainment media has glamourized it to be. That's really bloody sad. But I have to ask the question.

    Do Catholics honour their dead? I would assume so with funerals and stating that if their way is followed, St. Paul will pass them through the pearly white gates into Heaven.

    But, like always, they get the whole thing wrong, as they truly miss the whole point of Samhain, the Celtic New Year, and other festivals of the dead.

    I suppose they want to condemn Christmas and Yule while they're at it. Oh wait.. that'd be pot/kettle/black.

  6. acurafan macrumors 6502a

    Sep 16, 2008
    who's gives a <bleep> what the vatican thinks. i'll start to care when they stop their propoganda mud-slinging and the pope comes to my house holding god's left-hand. here's a sour-:apple: for the dope ...err, pope.

    until then, i'll enjoy my haaallooowweeeen - and that's in 2 hours, party at my house! happy pre-halloween!! :D
  7. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Halloween is almost as evil as Christmas...

    C'mon, a big fat man luring kids to sit in his lap with candy and toys while smiling and laughing -- if a clown did this he'd be arrested.
  8. Peace macrumors Core


    Apr 1, 2005
    Space--The ONLY Frontier
    Huh ? I thought people at the Vatican WERE dressed for Halloween.:confused::p
  9. CalBoy macrumors 604


    May 21, 2007
    IIRC, the Vatican first absorbed All Saints Day from Celts in an attempt to help convert them (the Celts honored their dead on the first day of their new year, when the "darkness" began to overtake the light).

    The Catholics of that era didn't seem to mind it when Pagan festivals were carried on.

    In fact, this seems to have all the hallmarks of cranky old man-ism.
  10. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

    Thomas Veil

    Feb 14, 2004
    OBJECTIVE reality
    As a (nominal) member, I think the Catholic Church seriously needs to ****, remember who they stole the holiday from, and stop taking themselves so damn seriously.
  11. Compile 'em all macrumors 601

    Compile 'em all

    Apr 6, 2005
    LMAO :D. you win!
  12. yg17 macrumors G5


    Aug 1, 2004
    St. Louis, MO
    Society condemns the Vatican as anti-fun. More at 11.
  13. jecapaga macrumors 601


    Jul 1, 2007
    Southern California
    How do you determine as parents which years there will be trick or treating fun and which there will not? Seems like a confusing message. How soon after Nov. 1 does he ask if there will be trick or treating next year?
  14. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6


    Aug 17, 2007
    I don't deny it is rather arbitrary. Some years, we just go to a local church's activities. He never asks about next years trick or treat that soon. He knows that there won't be an answer that soon. We usually decide late September or early October.
  15. Ttownbeast macrumors 65816

    May 10, 2009
    Tonight's the night people, don't forget to buy your razor blades, apples, and rewrap the ex lax for the kiddies!.....yah like anyone ever falls for that.
  16. leekohler macrumors G5


    Dec 22, 2004
    Chicago, Illinois
    It's just another nail in the Vatican's coffin. Keep going, you'll be irrelevant before you know it.
  17. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
    What they aren't irrelevant already? I hear in latin america when the pope has a rant against contraceptive more people visit the family planning clinics.
  18. obeygiant macrumors 68040


    Jan 14, 2002
    totally cool
    Yeah the Catholic Church has been around since, what? The 4th century? Halloween 2009 is what will finally bring them down. lol
  19. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a


    Oct 8, 2008
    Might as well get rid of Valentines Day too. All that love leads to you know what . . .

    Seriously, I wouldn't care if the Vatican condemned Halloween except that when Christians are for/against something it usually becomes law. (I'm using the term law loosely.)
  20. abijnk macrumors 68040


    Oct 15, 2007
    Los Angeles, CA
    This forum is obvious not representative of this, but there are people who, when the vatican speaks, they listen.

    It is interesting in these threads to see that Catholics get lumped in with your everyday Christians. There are other brands of Christians (southern baptists for one) who despise the catholic church and consider it a cult. But that's another thread altogether...
  21. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004

    Well, seeing as I'm definitely not a Christian, the distinctions are less clear to me, and when it comes down to denominations within the Anglican church e.g. Methodists, Baptists, Episcopals etc., it's all much of a muchness to an outsider.

    However, I do know that some Christians that aren't Catholics in the US also have qualms about Halloween, and I was hoping to tease some replies out from people that feel that way just out of general interest.

    The thing is, and I know that many in the UK will agree with me, is that Halloween as we know it these days, was seen generally as an American import 20-30 years ago, but over time, due to cultural influences like movies, TV and commercialism, it's taken off over here, as the article explains:

    So, it's all your fault. ;)
  22. abijnk macrumors 68040


    Oct 15, 2007
    Los Angeles, CA
    Sorry. :)

    As for the rest of it, I grew up in part of the so-called "bible belt" (seriously, town of 3000 people with about 10 churches) and yet I never heard of anyone having qualms with Halloween. Again, though, the were mostly denominations outside of Catholic.
  23. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a


    Oct 8, 2008
    Funny how some of those Johnny-come-lately Christians like to decide who is a Christian.

    Anyway, there is another current thread about Demonic Candy that linked to a blog that Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network posted. It had basically the same sentiment as the Vatican, but more extreme. (The link to the original blog is not there anymore but you can probably still find it from another source.)
  24. jav6454 macrumors P6


    Nov 14, 2007
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    Pretty much what Lee said. The Vatican has been nailing down their own coffin ever since they started wanting to dictate how people live their lives.
  25. takao macrumors 68040


    Dec 25, 2003
    Dornbirn (Austria)
    20-30 years ? 10 years ago it was considered strange to make a halloween party here
    now it's like everywhere
    Allerseelen/Allerheiligen were always days where the family met and visited the grave to mourned the dead... now within a few years many look at the days to make parties and eat candy and dress up like it's Carneval/Fasching already .... it's absolutely tasteless

    i still remember an article about that in Der Spiegel 1-2 years ago how mid/late 1990ties marketing companies where hired by companies to bring it over into the german market.. absolutely bizarre

    edit: it was 1994:,1518,587553,00.html

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