Of course they use the Velocity Engine. It is what makes the G4 so different from the field. It is the superscalar component and what allows the G4 to achieve gigaflops. Why not tout that? I agree that it does tend to skew the results, but if you think about the design, you will see that Mhz for Mhz, the G4 is still faster. A PIII or P4 uses a 32 bit path. The Altivec uses a 128 bit path. That means for each and every cycle, the G4 does 4 times the work. This also neglects how the macintosh is inherently more efficient in processing. Compare RAM usage and understand... A Wintel machine requires so much more ram and processing speed to achieve the same results.