Venezuela is just a mess, on the brink of civil war

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  1. Zenithal macrumors 68040

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    The country has been unstable for numerous decades. Welcome to history.
     
  2. darksithpro thread starter macrumors regular

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    Not to this degree.
     
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    Man, the Spanish were just poor Colonialists...
     
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    This is what the western banking cartel will do to a Socialist country, if they get the the chance. There are some ideas and ideals that are very dangerous to western capitalism.

     
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    Welcome to socialism/communism. :)
     
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    Before the UK, was the Spanish Empire, from Philippines to America (even Germany in Europe was some time part of the Spanish Empire). UK infected Spanish colonies with Masonry, UK Masons drafted a plan to split Spain with Napoleon Bonaparte, after Napoleon Invaded Spain's mainland, Colonials (Masons) will ask for Independence (actually to split Spain into mini-feuds across its colonies). Bolivar, San Martin and others where just UK's Hands on Spain, with Napoleon's Help, they where successful, even they tried to modify Spaniard language and People in Venezuela, Mexico, Chile etc speak a little different spanish (as they use TU instead VOS -Spaniard for 'you'-).

    Without this successful BlackOps from the UK on the Mason's Hands, likely this forum should be in Spanish, and you buying eTelefonos from Manzana a company at the beautiful Valley of Caracas...
     
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    In 1970 Venezuela was the richest country in South America, with a GDP per capita higher than countries like Spain, Greece, and Israel. It still sits on the largest oil reserves in the world. Bigger than Saudi Arabia's by some estimates.

    But Venezuela is a textbook example of socialism done wrong. (Norway, another oil-rich nation, is socialism done right.)
     
  9. Zenithal, Aug 2, 2017
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    Really? Did you miss the protests in 2014? The rioting in 2010 when the shortage movement began? The '02 Coup d'etat attempt that involved sector strikes and mass marches? Hell, go back to the 60s when the guerilla leftists clashed violently with government troops and pro-government citizens. The violent crime rate skyrockets in those days. Venezuela is one of the most dangerous countries in the world. Rape, murder, car jackings, extortion, etc. are regular occurrences. Study up on your history. You know what's happening now thanks to social media and the internet age. The rest of us were well aware of what happened before the internet age.

    I don't recall you posting any thread when Brazil was on the brink of imploding not long ago.
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    Except as time went by and fuel standards improved, Venezuela's economic output waned. The crude they extract is useless. It's too heavy and costs enough to zero out a barrel depending on the going price for typical export grade crude. They get most of their oil from the US now after we lifted the export ban.
     
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    Or perhaps instead of crazy conspiracies about banking cartels the people in Venezuela are just tired of a corrupt and incompetent government.
     
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    I have family in Venezuela. Most of them moved to Costa Rica but a few are still living in Caracas. They’re optimistic that they can get rid of Maduro but it’ll require members of the military to unite against him. The US won’t do anything, the UN is too slow, so it’s up to Venezuelans and their military to stop him.
     
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    the U.S has no business there.
     
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    Good luck, if they need help call Argentina.
     
  15. Tapiture macrumors 6502

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    Oh yeah the US has no business there now that the oil’s gone. When they still had oil, sure we’d protect them and be friends with them. Now we’ll just say its their problem.
     
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    we have no business there oil or no oil..
     
  17. Tapiture macrumors 6502

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    What I’m saying is we used to have big business there and now all the sudden we don’t ;)
     
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    might have something to do with socialism taking over instead of the U.S leaving..............

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Venezuela
    you still have oil.
     
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    Chavez nationalized all oil operations. Including those owned by U.S. companies.
    They have sued and won some compensation, but that is why we "suddenly" don't.

    He also nationalized food production and took over Cargill food processing facilities.
     
  20. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    Michael Moore and Shawn Penn just need to go down and do some crowd control. Really help the people understand the vision of far left leaning socialist policies.
     
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    Or we could get Clint Eastwood to dig out his Dirty Harry Magnum for some "crowd control."

    "Adelante, haz mi día."

    Or maybe there's an empty chair he can talk to...
     
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    like sheep to the slaughter house....

    glad you agree it takes guns to make a difference :D
     
  23. BoxerGT2.5 macrumors 68000

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    Pretty sure Maduro is doing is own crowd control already. Didn't the opposition front runners get yanked from their own homes already.
     
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    it's not useless and while production has dropped in recent years, they still export quite a bit. Their newer fields are much like the heavy crude that Canada profitably produces from Alberta oil sands......Venezuela simply didn't spend to build the necessary infrastructure for the heavy stuff when they had the chance.

    As a result their main option is to blend lighter grades of petro products with the heavy stuff so they can then export the resulting mix, but their own production of the lighter grades is both maxed out and already sold, and again they didn't expand the refining infrastructure when they had the chance, so now they have to import increasing amounts of the lighter stuff.....and yes some of what they import comes from the US.

    incompetence and corruption rules the day in Venezuela
     

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