Venezuela makes Iraq look safe

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Shivetya, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. Shivetya macrumors 65816

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    Its pretty sad when living in a country that is occupied by foreign armies and terrorist groups both from within and without is safer than living in a country that supposedly is a worker's paradise.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/world/americas/23venez.html?_r=2&hpw


    In Iraq, a country with about the same population as Venezuela, there were 4,644 civilian deaths from violence in 2009, according to Iraq Body Count; in Venezuela that year, the number of murders climbed above 16,000.

    Even Mexico’s infamous drug war has claimed fewer lives.


    The fact that their murder rate exceeds the Mexican drug wars numbers is staggering. Basically it appears that Chavez has turned the country on itself.
     
  2. Queso macrumors G4

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    Chavez himself blames the Colmbian government for the rise in violence. Although as with anything in this part of the world there will be some truth in that I think the collapse of Venezuela's judiciary and police incompetence are the biggest factors behind the rise in the murder rate. Only one in ten murders even ends up catching the suspect, and even then gaining a conviction is becoming damn near impossible.
     
  3. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    no doubt somebody will come along and announce that this is just the western press telling lies about venezuela again! :rolleyes:

    perhaps the failure of the government to satisfy raised expectations for a better quality of life also has a bit to do with the problem?
     
  4. Queso macrumors G4

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    Of course it has a bit to do with the problem. In countries that haven't recently undergone invasion and occupation there's rarely a single reason why the murder and crime rates start to climb. I still think the fact that those who would murder can pretty much do it repeatedly without consequence is the deciding factor here though, and once again the failure to tackle the problem comes back to Chavez and his government.
     
  5. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    there are elections in venezuela soon and certainly the various opposition parties will be demanding to know why his government hasn't done more about the situation. It's not the only problem he's facing though (link);

    it should be an interesting election
     
  6. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    From what I remember from reading about the region, I would posit a guess that Venezuela's situation is a consequence of their support of FARC, the ELN and other narco-terrorists in the region (mostly in neighboring Colombia). To wit, the most violent area of Colombia, Arauca province lies next to Venezuela. That area has been largely in control of the narco-terrorists for generations. It is also home to Big Oil in Colombia.

    There were reports that Chavez provided rear bases for these groups in Venezuela, as well as a corridor for exporting cocaine to Venezuela in exchange for weapons. With assistance from Venezuela, narco-terrorists were disrupting oil production in Colombia with the effect of tightening Venezuelas hold on the oil market - increasing it's political power.

    Unfortunately, as a previous Colombian president Pastrano found out - cooperating and compromisiong with these narco-terrorists gave them the times and means to build criminal mini-states from which they would conquer more territory. Perhaps Chavez fell victim to this.

    In any case, it shouldn't be surprising that that area is more dangerous than the ME - in the latter you have the temperance of Islamic and/or tribal culture - that, however extreme it may be - still has rules. In Central American you only have areas never governed, with billions of dollars of drug money to be made. Scary stuff.
     

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