Verizon iPhone 5S: GSM Unlocked

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  1. rumorman69 macrumors regular

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    Will the Verizon 5S be GSM unlocked like the iPhone 5? Will it only work with internarional GSM carriers or with AT&T and T-Mobile as well?
     
  2. user-name-here macrumors 65816

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    Only international GSM carriers outside the U.S. unless you buy the unlocked version when it becomes available.
     
  3. DollaTwentyFive, Sep 19, 2013
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    This was true with the 5. But - and I may be way off here - the at&t and vzw iPhones seem like the same model. A1533. The Verizon phone firmware allows the CDMA side to be active but the GSM side seems identical. At least according to these specs from the Apple store. That would indicate to me that if they have the same GSM LTE bands, wouldn't the Verizon 5s be able to use an at&t SIM for GSM LTE? Maybe it is limited by firmware/software? Maybe I am missing something? I am just hoping that you can pop an at&t sim into a vzw 5s and have LTE on at&t if you have an account with them.

    From Apple website:

    Model A1533 (GSM)*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz);GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 Mhz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)

    Model A1533 (CDMA)*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz);UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)

    From Wiki - seems like at&t currently uses band 17, which is available on the Verizon 5s. Not sure if 17 was available on the 5.
     

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  4. cnotes2019 Suspended

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    It is unlocked for all to use not just outside the US
     
  5. tdar macrumors 6502a

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    By Verizon agreement with the FCC-ALL Verizon phones that support LTE are fully unlocked.
     
  6. DollaTwentyFive macrumors 6502a

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    Very true. But while the 5 was unlocked on at&t GSM, the fastest data speed was 4g HSPA+. It did not have the at&t LTE band. It seems that the 5s may, in fact, be capable of LTE on at&t
     
  7. cwosigns macrumors 65816

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    This is going to suck for Verizon customers who can literally buy just ONE model of phone that will work on their network, but all the people who are just going to stick another SIM in it and use it on another carrier will eat up the supply of that phone.

    I think you still have to walk out with a Verizon contract, though. I bought a Verizon iPhone 5 at full price last year on launch day and was just going to take it home and activate it myself and save others' time, but they insisted it had to be activated on Verizon's network in the store before I left.
     
  8. tdar macrumors 6502a

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    Yes that is Verizon policy- they do not sell unactivated phones.
     
  9. seecoolguy macrumors regular

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    Can anybody confirm if the Verizon iPhone 5S is unlocked?
     
  10. jumpman25 macrumors regular

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    Is this only if you pay full price or does this also work if you get the discounted phone with contract extension?
     
  11. seecoolguy macrumors regular

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    the iPhone 5 was unlocked irregardless of contract status, unlike the iPhone4S which would only internationally unlock the sim after 6 months.

    the one caveat is that you must activate the iPhone first on a verizon line prior to swapping out the sim to at&t or tmobile.
     
  12. dmurray14 macrumors member

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    I can confirm firsthand that the Verizon iPhone 5S is unlocked and will accept an AT&T sim. It appears to work exactly the same otherwise - LTE works (FAST - I tested at 35Mbps), as does "talk and surf." When I first put the SIM in, it said "Invalid SIM" or something similar, but after about 60 seconds it came to life.
     
  13. wxman2003 Suspended

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    That's great news, which means it will work with T-Mobile LTE.
     
  14. seecoolguy macrumors regular

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    I found this post on the forumns today, yes, the 5S is unlocked when sold by Verizon regardless of contract status.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1637205

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    SWEET!! Thank you for posting back and confirming! :)
     
  15. jumpman25 macrumors regular

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    Awesome, thanks for the info.
     
  16. Fdfan100 macrumors member

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    I'm currently using a Verizon 5S on T-Mobile. Everything works, even tried AT&T and it works.
     

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  17. Fdfan100 macrumors member

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    I got this off contract
     
  18. pboy207 macrumors member

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    Anyone know if the Verizon Iphone 5S purchased on contract are unlocked as well? I believe all posts I saw regarding Verizon iphone being unlocked were from ppl that purchased it full price.
     
  19. sotorious macrumors 6502a

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    Here is a question, does it have to be purchased from an apple store under verizon?

    Or can i go into a Verizon and purchase one and it should work. I dont understand why they dont make this stuff clear from the get go.
     
  20. Fdfan100 macrumors member

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    Yep, even on contract Verizon 5S/5C is unlocked. I picked up mines with my friend, she got a 5C for her brother and a 5S for herself. Put my sim in both, they were unlocked. Both on active Verizon lines and are on contract.

    I know some people had trouble getting a GSM sim to work on the Verizon phone, I believe the phone has to activate with a Verizon sim, active or not.
     
  21. pboy207 macrumors member

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    Cool. Thanks for the confirmation!
     
  22. sotorious macrumors 6502a

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    Ok tomorrow i will begin my hunt at verizon stores.

    Man it sucks t-mobile had nothing but 16gb and i want a 32 or higher.
     
  23. wxman2003 Suspended

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    The fact that the Verizon 5s works on T-mobile's LTE and AT&T LTE bands makes it the first Verizon phone to ever do this. Apple just raised the bar.
     

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