Virginia: Through The Looking Glass

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by skunk, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. skunk macrumors G4

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    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/n...ics/article/CUCCGAT05_20100305-182601/328592/
    This is very bizarre. What are Virginia's colleges supposed to do now? Introduce mandatory discrimination?
     
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    Just when you think you've heard it all. Lee, I'm beginning to think the only way forward for your country is for it to collapse and become part of Canada.
     
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    ^^
    This please. :D
     
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    ^I, for one, welcome our new Canadian overlords, eh?

    Seriously, I do not see this surviving a legal challenge on Fourteenth Amendment grounds...of course, I've said this about bans on same-sex marriage.
     
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    Canada, eh? I'm game.

    Seriously, this is ******* crazy.
     
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    It already is collapsing. No one is going to be able to fix it as long as BS like this goes on.
     
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    Sadly, I'm not surprised. And I think that's the worst part of it, that in this day and age, I'm still not surprised when people do **** like this. We have not come very far as a nation. We need the military of the 1950s and the civil rights of the 2010s, not the other way around.

    Can I request a Tim Hortons in my backyard? There's ample room.
     
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    At least with Canada, we'd have universal health care
     
  10. Queso macrumors G4

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    A quick update on this story. Following public refusals to comply and declarations of disgust from the higher education establishments themselves, over a thousand students taking to the State's Senate House in protest, and the lobbying of business interests to consider moving from Virginia due to "concerns about the political climate" the AG has basically been told to keep his mouth shut. The Governor's Office has issued an Executive Directive stating that anti-gay discrimination is still prohibited under the State's law and that any employer who is found to discriminate could face fines.

    Not quite the full protection under the law that other forms of discrimination in the state receive, but considering Virginia's Governor is Regent University alumni Bob McDonnell this is possibly as good as it's going to get in the short term.
     
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    I'm glad people are standing up to this nonsense.
     
  12. Queso macrumors G4

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    Academics don't take kindly to being told what they can and cannot do on their own campus. Chuck in the taint of bigotry and this was the only response the AG could have expected, which makes it all the more bizarre that this was attempted in the first place.
     
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    I can understand where the argument comes from. All of the above listed are very easily proven with the exception of religion. How would one prove that they are gay?

    Having said that, I know most of you will flip out and ignore my point and call me a homophobe.
     
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    Short of making out with someone of the same-sex in front of everyone it's going to be difficult. Somehow I think that wouldn't go down too well in Virginia though.
     
  15. skunk thread starter macrumors G4

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    Your list includes another exception, so why would you say "all of the above"?
     
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    Do you have anything of substance to say? Or are we playing the technicality game tonight?
     
  17. skunk thread starter macrumors G4

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    I am simply asking why you are posting self-evident bollocks. That's reasonable, isn't it?
     
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    Yet if I pulled a stunt like this several people who have already posted in this thread would have torn my head off and have told me to stay on topic regardless of any technicalities.

    Ah, double standards...
     
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    The point surely is that, as with all the other cited forms of discrimination, the "victim"'s actual characteristics do not need to be proved, only that any discrimination was based on a perception or presumption of such characteristics, whether accurate or not.
     
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    Don't take it personally, but I am not so much ignoring your point as totally not seeing it. You mention understanding an argument, but the section you quote does not contain an argument. It's just an observation about the behavior of the General Assembly. You go on to say something about proving people are gay, but there is nothing about that in the section you quoted, or, unless I've overlooked it, in the entire original article.

    I think you might be seeing something that is going to require some explanation for the rest of us to see what you're getting at.
     
  21. leekohler macrumors G5

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    This. That's all that's needed.
     
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    My understanding of the issue presented above is that the VA AG says that Gays cannot be a protected class in the VA higher education system because they lack any defineable characteristics needed to make them a protected class from discrimination. Take for example skin color. I can easily tell if someone is black or white.
     
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    What tangible characteristic makes someone Jewish? Yet we still prohibit discrimination based on religion.
     
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    Did you not read post 13?
     
  25. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Yes, I did. And you still have no point. If a distinguishing characteristic is not needed to prohibit discrimination based on religion, then why is there one need for sexual orientation?
     

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