Voter Suppression in The U.s.

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  1. Huntn, Oct 29, 2014
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    One of our basic liberties and rights, the right to vote is under attack. We are currently witnessing an unprecedented attack directed at minorities to hinder those who are perceived to vote Democratic.

    Here is a list of states that have inacted voter ID laws since 2011, a red herring argument to prevent voter fraud, but in actuality, the goal is to throw up voting roadblocks for minority and low income citizens.

    Link : http://www.nationalmemo.com/6-other...ns-are-just-about-disenfranchising-democrats/

    Listening to Ed Schultz this evening, cases were profiled where people have gone to register and are told to come back later, where early voting days have been cut and in Wisconsin, weekend early voting, the time where most hourly workers would find it most convenent to vote have been cut.

    And then there is this in Georgia: Judge offers BS reason for refusing to rule on 40,000 missing voter registrations.

    Oh yeah, highly successful minority voter registration drives and 40k registrations disappear? Love to hear our local conservative mouth pieces explain this away. The party that loves to scream about our lose of Liberty, appears to be the ones working to subvert this primary right.
     
  2. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Voter suppression aside, Ed Schultz is as nutty as most Fox talking heads.
     
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    I got as far as the first state in the list.

    Thats a ****-ton of different options. If you dont have one of those, you're probably not eligible and trying to play some game with the system.

    Sounds like like a bunch of noise about nothing.

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    Dailykos is a liberal slanted junk site. I recommend avoiding it in the future.

    NBC reports of those 40,000 lost registrations.

    NBC makes it sound like a massive scam attempt, and the judge saw right through it.
     
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    Not questioning the validity but when someone makes that type of assertion they are required under the rules to provide a link.
     
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    Sry, meant to.

    http://www.11alive.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/10/20/missing-voter-applications/17596625/

    Its an embarrassing massive farce.

    State rep should face charges. Attempting to register felons, then having nerve to waste court time by suing state for felons and deceased to be registered. Train-wreck.

     
  6. Huntn, Oct 29, 2014
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    Judge the report. Is it accurate?

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/wisconsins-walker-restricts-early-voting

    http://www.fairelectionsnetwork.com/attacks-voting-rights

    No comment on 40k voter registrations that go poof?

    http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/10/28/3585449/court-allows-voter-suppression/

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch...ter-registration-in-georgia-ahead-of-election

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    Link please for NBC report. Thanks!
     
  7. bowens macrumors 6502a

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    Voter ID laws aren't needed? My brother-in-law went in to early vote yesterday and was told somebody already voted in his name.
     
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    But that doesn't happen… :mad:
     
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    Doesn't Florida already require an ID for voting?

    Looks like the ID wasn't the problem, but the systems in place for checking the ID's. In a lot of the research done on alleged "voter fraud" this seems one of the main culprits - the poll worker checking off the wrong name/address/etc...
     
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    Can't they find out who it was?

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    Probably an administrative cock up which checking for id wouldn't prevent.
     
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    We have that solved in Georgia. They scan the ID not just look at it. All state ID, state driver's licenses and state voter ID have a security bar code on the back the scanner reads. Federally issued ones take them a couple extra seconds but the state ones zip right through.
     
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    It's the same in Texas.

    The point was the laws aren't the problem. It's the systems in place and the polling workers that seem to be the real problem.

    I've read a few investigations into "voter fraud" and the major problems found were mistakes made by the poll workers. New laws aren't needed, just better systems and better trained workers.
     
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    Where did he say MSNBC? That is the NBC affiliate in Atlanta.

    Add what?

    An exact number was not given by NGP.

     
  15. Huntn, Oct 30, 2014
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    Considering Florida has a strict voter ID law, I'd like to hear more details. Was there fraud, an admistrative error, or are the touted voter ID laws ineffectual? An online search reveals the following regarding voting requirements in Florida:

     
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    ... And start the process 2 years prior to an election, stop closing polling places in "undesirable" Democrat prevalent locations, make absentee voting the norm, and stop dicking around with early voting restrictions.
     
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    Ok. I meant NBC not MSNBC. However.

    The link is not to NBC it is to a local NBC TV station.

    As far as the addition :

    The Georgia group said about 40,000.

    39,276 are active voters
    513 are deceased
    1,637 have felony record, so they can't vote
    2,195 had an invalid or out-of-state zip code
    2,124 had no valid year of birth

    Thats actually 45,745. To say 40k + isn't entirely accurate and.

    "The list also included 9,990 pending applications, which means the form is incomplete. "

    To say it means the form is incomplete is an assumption not a fact.

    "Pending" can mean anything including :

    "But the group claims half of those forms, about 40,000, are either missing or being held up by election officials with a political agenda."

    Even if it's only 10,000 that's still a lot and a problem.
     
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    Lets add a little gas to this fire.
    http://projects.aljazeera.com/2014/double-voters/index.html
    Election officials in 27 states, most of them Republicans, have launched a program that threatens a massive purge of voters from the rolls. Millions, especially black, Hispanic and Asian-American voters, are at risk. Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America. At the heart of this voter-roll scrub is the Interstate Crosscheck program, which has generated a master list of nearly 7 million names. Officials say that these names represent legions of fraudsters who are not only registered but have actually voted in two or more states in the same election — a felony punishable by 2 to 10 years in prison. Until now, state elections officials have refused to turn over their Crosscheck lists, some on grounds that these voters are subject to criminal investigation. Now, for the first time, three states — Georgia, Virginia and Washington — have released their lists to Al Jazeera America, providing a total of just over 2 million names.The Crosscheck list of suspected double voters has been compiled by matching names from roughly 110 million voter records from participating states. Interstate Crosscheck is the pet project of Kansas’ controversial Republican secretary of state, Kris Kobach, known for his crusade against voter fraud. The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim — ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too — 1 in 11 — are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities.If even a fraction of those names are blocked from voting or purged from voter rolls, it could alter the outcome of next week’s electoral battle for control of the U.S. Senate — and perhaps prove decisive in the 2016 presidential vote count.“It’s Jim Crow all over again,” says the Rev. Joseph Lowery, who cofounded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Martin Luther King, Jr. Lowery, now 93, says he recognizes in the list of threatened voters a sophisticated new form of an old and tired tactic. “I think [the Republicans] would use anything they can find. Their desperation is rising.”
     
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    And this happened in a state with strict voter ID laws...
     
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    yes look at my above post. seems there is some real problems with so called id checking.
     
  22. AustinIllini macrumors demi-god

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    Voter suppression is a problem in the United States, however I would argue the bigger issue is the uninformed electorate. Voting is a right and a responsibility.

    An uninformed electorate and the two party system causes democracy (Republican or otherwise) to unravel.
     
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    The only way the U.S. electorate is worse informed than anyone else's is because large parts of the Middle class don't travel abroad.
     
  24. webbuzz, Oct 30, 2014
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    MSNBC quoted the "local NBC station" last week. link

    MSNBC said that in the linked article above, which was three weeks before the numbers below were released.

    39,276 are active voters
    513 are deceased
    1,637 have felony record, so they can't vote
    2,195 had an invalid or out-of-state zip code
    2,124 had no valid year of birth

    NGP never gave an actual number...

    From local news outlets.

    Those applicants have been notified by letter to finish their forms through their county election office

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