Voting for bush?

SPG

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Bush's Record

He can run but he can't hide

Sunday October 17, 2004

Bush says Kerry "can run be he can't hide" with regard to his record in the Senate. He also says Kerry's "record doesn't match his rhetoric."

OK, then.

Since Bush is apparently running on his own record of accomplishment, it only seems appropriate to remind voters of his distinguished record with this final Election Special Update of the Bush Record of Accomplishments:

Rigged an election (and went crying to the Supreme Court when he got caught) in conspiracy with brother Jeb in Florida to take office.

Appointed an administration made up of former executives and government officials who helped Saddam develop WMD, were involved in illegal arms sales, traded with the enemy in violation of U.S. law, and whose companies now profit from war by way of billions in no-bid contracts paid for by American taxpayers.

Stonewalled GAO and Congress request for documents relating to Enron influence of Federal Energy Policy.

Representing party of smaller government and less Federal spending, created largest bureaucracy in U.S. history and signed largest entitlement spending program in U.S. history.

As compared to the day Bush took office nearly four years ago, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is down 6% two weeks before his reelection bid. Historically, the stock market is expected to gain 10% to 12% per year over the long term.

The S&P 500, the index generally regarded as the most representative of the markets and our economy, is down 17% since the day Bush took office.

The technology (jobs of the future!) focused NASDAQ composite is down 31% since the day Bush took office.

Presided over an increase in consumer debt to all time record high of over $2 trillion and an increase in personal bankruptcy filings to an all time high of 1.6 million households in 2003.

Despite taking over after the longest and largest economic expansion in U.S. history, presided over the loss of more than three million jobs, with nearly nine million people out of work.

Has proposed no jobs programs, instead relying on tax cuts to stimulate the economy (see above for how that's working out). His policies have created only a fraction of the jobs he promised.

Bush is the first president in over seventy years since the Great Depression to preside over a net loss of jobs.

Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy have put a strain on the middle class and working poor. With cuts in programs at Federal, state, and local levels and dramatic increases in tuition and health care and energy costs, most families are worse off than before the tax cuts, especially the ones who have lost their jobs or their health insurance.

On Bush's "compassionate conservative" watch, more people are living in poverty. 1.3 million people fell into poverty during 2003 alone. Nearly 36 million are now living in poverty in the U.S. The poverty rate among children is the highest it has been in ten years.

Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy could pay for hiring all nine million people out of work and pay them $40K for two years instead of benefiting wealthy.

Presided over the largest trade deficit in U.S. history, a record $489 billion in 2003, while the value of the dollar has reached an all time low against the Euro and the Yen. The trade deficit for 2004 is expected to hit a new record of $590 billion, an increase of 19% in the past year alone. Bush's trade deficits represent millions of American jobs going overseas.

Began privatization of Medicare disguised as prescription drug benefit.

Lied to Congress and the American people about the cost of the Medicare prescription drug benefit, intimidates government employees to cover it up.

The cost of health insurance has risen nearly 40% on Bush's watch and overall health care costs have risen by about 50%. Meanwhile, HMOs and insurance and pharmaceutical companies cut back services and rack up huge profits and their CEOs enjoy huge multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses. More than 44 million people are now without health insurance in America, including nearly 10 million children. Five million people have lost their health insurance on Bush's watch.

Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy would fund health insurance for all 45 million uninsured Americans, including nearly ten million uninsured children.

Pushed legislation to eliminate overtime pay for up to eight million American working people.

Pushed legislation to limit medical malpractice claims to $250K, even if an incompetent doctor kills your wife or cuts off your legs instead of removing your appendix.

Installed a new Senate majority leader with ties to health care industry to shepherd through legislation benefiting corporate insurance and pharmaceutical pals.

Pushed legislation to limit bankruptcy protections for consumers targeted by predatory lenders, but proposes no reforms for rogue corporations such as Enron that blow off creditors, employees, and investors at pennies on the dollar.

Despite inheriting an $80 billion surplus from the Clinton administration, Bush turned it into a projected $2 trillion deficit with tax cuts, war, and out of control spending. The deficit for 2004 alone hit a new all time record high of $413 billion, a nearly 10% increase in one year.

Gutted clean air regulations, allowing utilities and factories to continue polluting the atmosphere, calling it "Clear Skies".

Rolled back environmental reviews and opens national forests up to the logging industry, calling it "Healthy Forests".

Rolled back wetlands protection, reducing or eliminating regulations prohibiting pollution of wetlands, calls it "Clean Water Act".

Rolled back wilderness protections, opening up wilderness areas to logging, mining, other development.

Despite bizarre rhetoric about a manned mission to Mars and Pentagon ideas for "Space Cadets" armed with ray guns, has virtually abandoned the U.S. manned space program, which is currently without a manned space flight capability.

Opposes stem cell research that could lead to cures for previously incurable diseases on moral grounds, despite the fact that embryos are routinely destroyed (or "killed" as Bush would say) every day during vitro fertilization procedures. In fact, Bush feels so strongly about stem cell research that it was the subject of one of his rare television addresses to the American people, which occurred the day after he received an intelligence briefing entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" (one month before he did). Bush's "faith-based science" policies ignore advances in modern science.

Lack of oversight of the pharmaceutical industry as a result of the administration's close ties with the industry resulted in a flu vaccine shortage and rationing. Bush stood before the American people and lied about the most recent problems, saying the contaminated flu vaccine was provided by a British company and U.S. officials prevented it from being imported. In fact, an American company produced it at a factory in England, and British officials caught it and alerted the U.S. who did nothing to secure an alternate supply.

Blames trial lawyers for the flu vaccine shortage, but the fact is that many companies have gotten out of the vaccine business because it is not profitable. And as we all know, profits, not people, drive health care in Bush's America.

Promotes school vouchers to take taxpayer money away from public education and give it to wealthy families to send their kids to private and mostly religious schools. Bush has refused to fully fund his only education initiative, in effect setting public education up for failure by his artificially imposed standards.
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SPG

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Adopted the Project for a New American Century's strategy paper on Rebuilding America's Defenses as the official U.S. National Security policy, a policy that calls for imperialist expansion in the middle east and hopes for a national catastrophe "on the scale of Pearl Harbor" to awaken the public to the dangers posed by not adopting this policy. Bush hires most of its authors to run the Pentagon and develop defense policy.

The worst terrorist attack in history, and the worst attack on U.S. soil occurred on the Bush administration's watch, and Bush undermined efforts to investigate mounting evidence of numerous warnings that could have prevented it.

Claims there was no advance warning of the 9/11 attacks and there was no way they could have envisioned terrorists hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. A month before the attacks, received (while on vacation) a report entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US." The report mentioned plans to hijack aircraft and al-Qaeda surveillance of Federal buildings in New York City.

Claims counter-terrorism was a top priority in the early months of his administration. Bush proposed no counter-terrorism policies or initiatives, and rarely discussed counter-terrorism in any of his official speeches or press conferences prior to 9/11. In fact, al-Qaeda was mentioned only once during the course of any of Bush's official duties, when he renewed Clinton's executive order imposing sanctions against the Taliban.

Signed the "Patriot Act" that limits civil liberties and violates the Bill of Rights contained within the Constitution he took an oath to protect and defend.

Presided over illegal arrest and detention and physical abuse of criminal suspects, who are held in secret without benefit of counsel or any charges.

Made speeches and signed laws promising more funding for shipping container inspections at U.S. ports to look for nukes and other WMD, then eliminated funding from budget.

Allowed North Korean sale of Scud missiles to Yemen.

Made a deal with Iranian terrorist organization.

Conducted a "preventive", unprovoked military invasion of sovereign state resulting in over 1000 U.S. military casualties and thousands of civilian deaths. He deceived Congress, the UN Security Council, and the American people using "sexed-up" intelligence to justify the invasion.

Claimed two trailers used to make hydrogen for balloons, a vial of botox in some guy's refrigerator, and some junk buried in some guy's rose garden are "proof" of Iraqi WMD "programs", or as they are later termed in his State of the Union, "weapons of mass destruction related program activities".

When U.S. weapons inspectors cannot find 25,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent, tens of thousands of chem/bio warheads, and an advanced nuclear weapons program in Iraq and say that in fact they probably never existed despite Bush telling Congress and the American people they posed a "grave danger" and Rumsfeld saying "we know where they are" and Powell showing the U.N. pictures of them, Bush says "What's the difference?" and blames it on faulty intelligence. Report after report comes out saying Bush was wrong on WMD so he continues to change his justifications for the war.

Presided over serious abuses, including the alleged torture, rape, and murder, of prisoners of war in violation of the Geneva Convention at a notorious Iraqi prison formerly used by Saddam to torture, rape, and murder prisoners. Rumsfeld approved some sort of "enhanced" interrogation techniques and Bush was aware of it because of the Pentagon's request for a legal analysis of whether the Geneva Convention applied. They now claim it was just a few bad apples engaging in some fraternity prank type activity.

Proposed sweeping cuts in veteran's benefits, instructs Veteran's Administration to deceive veterans with regard to benefits available.

Dressed in fighter pilot costume and flew military jet to aircraft carrier for stunt landing and political fundraising/campaign event despite having ticket pulled and being grounded for failing to take required physical and drug test and being curiously absent from his post during the Vietnam conflict.

Declares victory in Iraq, yet soldiers die in Iraq every day, half the country has no electricity or water, attempts to install democracy failing miserably, WMD cannot be found, neither can Osama.

Has destroyed American respect and credibility around the world. Unable to get assistance from France, Germany, or India to provide troops for additional security and peacekeeping in Iraq.

Administration is under investigation for illegally leaking the name of a covert CIA agent in retaliation for her husband exposing lies about Iraq's nuclear weapons program. The CIA demanded an investigation after Bush's denials. A Grand Jury has been convened to pursue criminal charges, and several key Bush administration officials have been subpoenaed to testify. Karl Rove was subpoenaed to testify just this week, two weeks before the election.

Proposes development of tactical nuclear weapons in violation of 1992 Senate ban which Bush worked to repeal.

Says nuclear weapons nonproliferation is a "centerpiece" of his war on terror, yet he is pursuing development of new nuclear weapons systems, withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, and does not support ratifying the Comprehensive Test Ban treaty.

According to a biographer, Bush believes that he was selected by God to lead America and had preachers come to the Governor's mansion in Texas to "lay hands" on him and pray for his future during his campaign.

Appoints as U.S. Attorney General a fundamentalist Christian who believes he receives divine guidance directly from God and anoints himself with Crisco and who was defeated by a dead man in his failed U.S. Senate election campaign.

Pushed legislation to fund faith based social programs, Congress rejected it, so Bush issued executive order (his first) to allow Federally Funded local and state programs to hire or fire based on religion or ideology and to promote religion as part of delivering services.

Declined an invitation to the NAACP convention, but addresses Southern Baptist Convention by satellite, calling them faithful servants and praying for them, while they adopt a policy that "homosexuals can find freedom from this sinful, destructive lifestyle" by accepting Jesus as their savior.

Comments on Supreme Court homosexual rights decision, saying "marriage should be between a man and a woman". Proposed a constitutional amendment in the State of the Union address to eliminate civil rights for an entire segment of the population.

Sends letter to Supreme Court urging them to strike down Affirmative Action programs, celebrates Strom Thurmond's "remarkable life" and says he was a friend.

Allows cabinet member in charge of education to call American teachers "terrorists" and get away with it.

Promises not to use 9/11 for politics, releases campaign TV ads showing firemen carrying remains of victims from ground zero.

Accused Kerry of "flip-flopping" by voting for an $87 billion defense appropriation and then against it, thereby denying troops the supplies and ammunition they need in Iraq and Afghanistan. Fails to mention that the version Kerry voted for included additional funding for veteran's benefits and that the version Kerry voted against had these provisions removed after Bush threatened to veto the bill if they weren't.

Accuses Kerry of voting against defense spending and weapons systems, when in fact it was Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney who at the time opposed the spending and complained that Congress was making him buy weapons systems he didn't need.

Despite being at war around the world and under constant threat of terrorist attack at home, Bush has spent 40% of his presidency on vacation.

Spending more than $200 million to get re-elected against a challenger the GOP says is unelectable.

In summary, it would seem that President Bush's record does not match his rhetoric. We can do better. The American People deserve better.

OK, then.
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solvs

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Yes, but... Kerry is a flip-flopper. Don't you see? He changed his mind. Why should Bush run on his record, when he could just personally attack Kerry?

I'm really surprised so many people are falling for Bush's rhetoric.
 

RandomDeadHead

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Yup that about sums it up.

It is quite shocking to me and mine that their are so many ignorant people in America today.


My father was a career marine, and my earliest memories as a boy was the great pride that I felt when I saw him in uniform. I felt like my father was single handedly protecting America from danger. Even when I was in my teens and was a pot smoking, tree hugging', hippy, I was very proud of my father. Even though he was fighting a war that in the end America could not win, and that I DID NOT support, I was proud of him.

But now as I sit here, I can't help feel that my soul is being split in two. On one side is my pride for my country. I am VERY proud and in awe of our girls and boys in the service. Their willingness to give up their lives for the belief that they are protecting us, is a true testament to human compassion. To sacrifice ones self for the good of the many is possibly the biggest gift one could give.

But on the other hand I do not have the ability to understand why this administration has so eagerly endangered the lives of our children and for what? Oil? To give a country something they obviously don't want? Money? Why the **** are they doing this to our children?
Ok so we had to take their WMD's away so they can not harm us or anyone else. Fine, but now that we know they don't have them, WHY THE **** ARE WE THERE? Yes Sadam is a very evil person that needed to be dealt with. But now that we have him? WHY THE **** ARE OUR CHILDREN STILL DYING?

Just come out and tell me Bush, What Exactly Are Our Children Dying For? Give me some reason to trust America again, hell give the world a reason to trust America again. Because make believe WMDs and Evil Sadam, just arnt enough to justify sacrificing our young people like this.

As I watch the news I can't help but to feel totally and utterly disgusted with my country. As the death tolls keep rising I feel pity for these children, for they died because our president was to busy defending his war then to see the mistakes he has made and to learn from this country other mistakes (read vietnam). For a man that is opposed to abortion because it "destroys life" he sure is hell bent on finding reason to destroy more life.
But like a north bound train, his day is coming fast, and hopefully Kerry will be able to help bring back some of the pride I felt as a boy.

As the great Bob Dylan says,
"Even the president of the united states must sometimes have stand and look at himself naked."
 

toontra

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From the title of this thread I thought it might lure in a few Republicans who would explain why they intend voting for Bush.

Seems there is a remarkable reluctance in this area! I wonder why? You would have thought that a person about to vote for leader of the free world would be happy and willing to share their thoughts.

Could it be that voting Bush is somehow percieved, even by the individuals themselves, as a guilt-ridden, self-interested and shameful deed, to be kept between the voter and their maker!
 

solvs

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RandomDeadHead said:
WHY THE **** ARE WE THERE? (in Iraq)
A question that should have been asked before we went. Many did try to warn that going there would be a mistake, but they did not listen. Just like they didn't listen before 9/11. Just like they aren't listening now. Ignoring or attacking anyone who disagrees with them, even if they turn out to be right. Fighting the 9/11 Commision, then taking credit for it. Talking about all sorts of social and economic programs, then underfunding them and talking about how great they are and how good things are going, though it plainly is not. And yet they want me to trust them with my safety, and my country? My world? I don't think so.

I do not understand how anyone with their eyes open could stand behind Bush.
 

SPG

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toontra said:
From the title of this thread I thought it might lure in a few Republicans who would explain why they intend voting for Bush.

Seems there is a remarkable reluctance in this area! I wonder why? You would have thought that a person about to vote for leader of the free world would be happy and willing to share their thoughts.
There has been a bit of discussion lately about the different worlds that bush supporters and the rest of us inhabit. I've heard it described as a battle of faith based versus reality based. On the surface that sounds especially harsh towards the bush supporters, but if you look at it closely it is a very accurate description.
They have faith that bush will do the right thing. They have faith that bush is a man of principle and a strong leader. They have faith that Kerry is a liberal flip flopper.
The facts say the opposite. The reality is that bush's interests are not always the same as his supporters. bush flip flops. bush sat in a classroom having a book read to him for seven minutes after being told the country was under attack. Their faith that Kerry is bad is only to justify their faith that bush is good.
It's a hard thing to lose your faith. If you're a religious person you don't want to know that God doesn't exist. You will not seek that information. Given that information you will still believe that he exists. I believe in God and even given irrefutable proof that he doesn't exist, I will still believe in God out of pure faith.
These people believe in bush. For them not to believe would be devastating. How can a bush supporter come in here and debate his merits on his record and on the results of his policies? They can't and they don't want to. Any defense of the bush administration and bush the man degenerate into arguments against the other guy, or empty hype ups of the myth of bush. Any of bush's accomplishments quickly crumble when the real effects are exposed under the spin. Reread the list and tell me what bush has really done that would trump that list and make it a good idea to vote for him.
 

kilpajr

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toontra said:
From the title of this thread I thought it might lure in a few Republicans who would explain why they intend voting for Bush.

Seems there is a remarkable reluctance in this area! I wonder why? You would have thought that a person about to vote for leader of the free world would be happy and willing to share their thoughts.

Could it be that voting Bush is somehow percieved, even by the individuals themselves, as a guilt-ridden, self-interested and shameful deed, to be kept between the voter and their maker!
I am a Republican and I am "happy and willing" to share my thoughts. However, what is the point? I am not going to change anyone's mind. You are not going to change my mind. Am I not going to change my mind because I have faith in Bush and won't give it up as SPG suggested? No.
SPG said:
They have faith that Kerry is a liberal flip flopper. The facts say the opposite.
If you believe this, there is nothing the Bush campaign, I, or anyone else can say that will make any difference. Personally, I think if you believe this you are not looking at the facts. I believe Kerry is doing whatever he can to get elected, regardless of whether it contradicts something he has previously said. I tried to show the inconsistency of Kerry on guns in another thread and everyone there couldn't care less. If there was a poll of people on where Kerry stood on the issues, I think it would be very divided because Kerry is not clear on where he stands (for example, where does Kerry stand on whether we should have gone to war in Iraq?).

I think it is scary that many people are willing to vote for Kerry just because he is not Bush. Bush doesn't have much going for him as far as the circumstances that he has had since he has been in office. However, many people want to blame everything that is wrong in our country on Bush. I think this is just plain wrong. For example, people complain that Bush hasn't funded the programs he has created but the same people complain about how high the deficit is and how bad the economy is. You can't have it both ways. Kerry says that he is going to raise taxes only on those that make over 200k but it has been shown that this is not possible. Where is the other money going to come from?

OK, I'm going to end my post. Maybe I'll post more of what I think if anyone cares. It is surprising to me that even though the country is about evenly divided on who to vote for, I am about the only Bush supporter in these political forums. That's a big reason I don't post or even look in these forums often. It seems to be a place for everyone to just bash on Bush.
 

IJ Reilly

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kilpajr said:
(for example, where does Kerry stand on whether we should have gone to war in Iraq?).
Picking up on this one point: Kerry has made his position abundantly clear, and that fact won't change no matter how often you suggest otherwise. The real issue here is whether you or any other diehard Bush supporters are prepared to listen to what Kerry actually says, instead of the administration's spin on what he says. This campaign really does boil down to a fight between truth and spin.
 

kilpajr

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IJ Reilly said:
Picking up on this one point: Kerry has made his position abundantly clear, and that fact won't change no matter how often you suggest otherwise. The real issue here is whether you or any other diehard Bush supporters are prepared to listen to what Kerry actually says, instead of the administration's spin on what he says. This campaign really does boil down to a fight between truth and spin.
I know he said he gave power to the President to make the decision. However, he had the same intelligence that Bush had. He hasn't said, "yes, I would have gone into Iraq" or "no, I would not have gone into Iraq". If he wouldn't have gone into Iraq, why did he vote to give Bush the power to do so? Anytime I say anything anti-Kerry, everyone just says I am putting the administration's spin on what Kerry says. I am simply stating what I feel and I try not to just use the same arguments that are repeated over and over. It is absurd to think that what Kerry and the Democratic Party say is the absolute truth and has no spin.
 

IJ Reilly

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Kerry has said he'd have allowed the inspections to continue, would have built a more meaningful coalition if war became a necessity, and made certain that post-war plans were in place to, in his words "secure the peace." This just so happens to be the same line of argument he's made consistently for years, and also the argument made by many, many others (both in the US and abroad) in response to Bush's shoot first and ask questions later policy. The fact that this position is today irrefutably the correct one to have taken makes it a necessity, I guess, for the Bush campaign to constantly misrepresent it.
 

relimw

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toontra said:
Could it be that voting Bush is somehow percieved, even by the individuals themselves, as a guilt-ridden, self-interested and shameful deed, to be kept between the voter and their maker!
Actually, I think it's because we all know that on this forum, what the for-bush people say will never be right. Only the opinion of the not-for-bush crowd prevails here.

Which is odd, why are you 'not-for-bush' rather than 'for-kerry'? I just can't fathom that. In recent polls (pick your favorite US news site) 75% of bush backers are 'for-bush', only 30% of kerry backers are 'for-kerry'.
 

atszyman

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kilpajr said:
If he wouldn't have gone into Iraq, why did he vote to give Bush the power to do so?
We could put all of the troops we want outside of Iraq but war cannot be declared without Congress' consent. In order for our threat of force to have any credibility Congress needed to give the president authorization to declare war. Bush assured congress that he would work to find a diplomatic solution and only use war as a last resort, which he did not do.
 

zimv20

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kilpajr said:
[Kerry] had the same intelligence that Bush had.
did he? according to some (richard clarke, seymour hersh, et. al.), the WH selected intelligence and showed only what made its case.

does that make a difference to you?
 

toontra

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relimw said:
Actually, I think it's because we all know that on this forum, what the for-bush people say will never be right. Only the opinion of the not-for-bush crowd prevails here.
I see from your profile that you've only been here a few months. I have to tell you that when I joined nearly two years ago it was close to a 50/50 split. I agree that things are different now with a predominance of anti-Bush sentiments represented.

What could explain this? What I have seen is that, one by one, the hard-right, pro-Bush posters have been comprehensively out-argued and have either suddenly vanished into thin air or have resorted to personal abuse and have been banned. Make of that what you may.

kilpajr - you suggest most of Kerry's support is due to anti-Bush feeling rather that actively supporting Kerry himself, yet you yourself in replying to a "Voting for Bush?" thread don't give a single positive reason for voting Republican but rather repeat the parrot-like jibe about Kerry flip-flopping (the substance of which has been well answered by atszyman and IJ Reilly).

You really should try and attain some consistency in your argument if you wish to be taken seriously.
 

relimw

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zimv20 said:
link, please
Hmm, seems in the latest poll, the 'for-kerry' number has actually improved, the article I was reading originally was dated Oct. 5th. In any case, here's the
latest poll.

Are voters backing their candidate because they like him or because they dislike the other candidate? Almost all Bush supporters (81 percent) describe their vote as being "for Bush," with only 15 percent saying their vote is "against Kerry."

Supporters of the Democratic challenger are more divided, as 56 percent say their vote is "for Kerry" and 37 percent say "against Bush." Positive feelings among Kerry voters have increased significantly since early September when a large minority (41 percent) described their vote as "for Kerry" and a 51 percent majority said "against Bush."
 

3rdpath

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kilpajr said:
I am a Republican and I am "happy and willing" to share my thoughts....snip.... Personally, I think if you believe this you are not looking at the facts.
i am "happy and willing" to hear your thoughts about the accomplishments of bush during the last four years. perhaps you'd care to discuss:

1) the largest deficit in history ( coming out of a surplus).
2) bush's environmental record.
3) bush's record of gross job losses.
4) the rise in people uninsured and living in poverty in the u.s.
5) the quagmire of iraq/ expansion of al queda
6) the squandering of world support after 9/11
7) tax cuts that favor the wealthy.
8) how bush's financial record conforms to the republican view of fiscal responsibility. ( see #1)
9) the administration's failure/unwillingness to disclose the procedure by which it created our energy policy.

please, sway me...