W threatens employers

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by jefhatfield, May 15, 2006.

  1. jefhatfield Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    as we all know the president is on his soapbox about illegal immigration and the american employers who hire them

    he wants to put thousands of national guard on the southern border...or he could just be rattling his sword

    he wants to stop the "catch and release" problem with illegal immigrants

    yet he wants to, and needs to keep a good relationship with mexico, a major trading partner...this is something both conservatives and liberals can agree on

    will he, as some conservative pundits say, go after employers who hire illegal immigrants and make it a felony and start going after people? (it is already against the law to hire illegals but is but largely unenforced)

    should employers be charged with said federal felony and get up to seven years in federal prison? is it enforceable?...and most importantly, would W resort to such draconian tactics against americans who employ illegal immigration, sometimes forced to in order to stay in business?

  2. iGary Guest


    May 26, 2004
    Randy's House
    1. Better secure the borders, but be realistic and understand people will get through.

    2. I don't care if they are here illegally as long as they don't suck up government services. If they pay taxes, do their part and are good citizens, I could care less if they are from Pluto.

    3. There should be an amnesty program for existing immigrants to become citizens, and that requires learning English.
  3. FFTT macrumors 68030


    Apr 17, 2004
    A Stoned Throw From Ground Zero
    Oh the double speak of it all!

    He's saying that corporate America needs to support this bill so they can take advantage of the temporary worker program.

    This gives them a virtually endless source of cheap underskilled and underpaid workers.
  4. crdean1 macrumors 6502a


    Feb 14, 2005
    If we make Mexico the 51st state, our problems would be solved, Ha.
  5. zimv20 macrumors 601


    Jul 18, 2002
    no. he'd be going after industries which support the GOP. bush and the GOP really want two things:
    1. to score political points for the midterms
    2. to create an exploitable, non-voting worker class
  6. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    i can definitely say, with 99 percent assuredness, at least from what i have seen, that your first point is what this is all about...with W at less than 30% percent approval rating, he doesn't want to take the rest of the party down with him...if he gains ten percent, let's say, before the midterms, then maybe the gop can retain the house and the senate

    but no matter what, it looks bleak right now for the republicans

    i am so split on this immigration issue...people in my industry (landscaping) would be wiped out if W went after them and fined and/or jailed employers...restaurants and some retail stores would also suffer...but there is no doubt in my head it is primarily industries that work under the table that bring promise to illegal immigrants...and that is why them come over...i don't see people crossing the border on friday so they could land a software developer job on monday

    so if you do an inquisition against employers, me included, if i hired illegal immigrants, that would stop the flow of people across the border...but not having soldiers on the border which could potentially turn very ugly

    morally, it may be wrong for a landscaper to hire illegal immigrants, and thus deny american citizens jobs, but on the other hand, if we all hired only american citizens, then our rates would double overnight or at least go up by half...and most people simply would not hire us

    practically speaking, the landscaping industry here in california absolutely needs illegal immigrants and if W went after us, the restauranteurs, and small retail operations, most of us would have to shut down and find something else to do for a living...we could tempt fate and continue on, but W would have no issue with fining/jailing us since he had no problem with speeding along executions while he was governor in texas

    as a law student, one of the first things i learned was the constitution, and early on it became apparent that it does not always, some say rarely, protect us

    in theory, it's like this:


    with W, it looks like this with a power shift against individuals:

    individual rights >> vs <<<<<<<<FED and STATE RIGHTS

    the president is not supposed to have the powers he is throwing around these days, but even if he stayed within the limits of his job, he could still do a lot of damage to employers who hire illegal immigrants and to the immigrants themselves

    some say bush is a lame duck, but others see him as a would be dictator on his way to shredding the constitution
  7. Desertrat macrumors newbie

    Jul 4, 2003
    Terlingua, Texas
    Dubya's babble was no more than smoke and mirrors.

    Separately, consider: If illegals are beating citizens out of jobs because they will work for lower pay, aren't we then in a position of importing our out-sourcing?

    I vaguely recall some commentary here about the evils of outsourcing jobs to foreign countries, which of course means foreign laborers...

    Doesn't seem it's just Dubya who wants to both eat and have that cake.

    :), 'Rat
  8. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

    Dont Hurt Me

    Dec 21, 2002
    Yahooville S.C.
    I think if we didnt have a election coming this administration would be doing what it has done for years. NOTHING. Its hard to hear anything he says without wondering about the spin that follows.
  9. tristan macrumors 6502a

    Jul 19, 2003
    high-rise in beautiful bethesda
    So a computer science PhD still can't immigrate to this country, but an unemployed janitor can. That's a forward-thinking policy.

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