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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by edesignuk, Apr 20, 2009.
Well, that went well.
What did they think would happen when they let him speak?
The World would come together and be as one under his supreme all knowingness?
But what did he actually say? The French ambassador described it as "hate speech" but there is no link to a transcript of his speech, or even a description of what he said.
Good, that man hackmodinijad is lunatic. Those few countries that didn't even show up did the right thing, give him no legitimacy.
This Ahmadinejad guy just can't get a break can he?
The fact that Apartheid is alive and well in the Eastern Mediterranean doesn't offend the anti-racists, yet 'calling it out' does. Pathetic.
They were opposed to the content of the document banning insulting islam because they claimed it would go against freedom of speech, and yet they walked out on him and called what he said flat out "hate" speech. So much for freedom of speech.
both those reasons are false. What an f-ed up world we live in.
What exactly are the "values of Switzerland"? A curious world would like to know.
nice watches and chocolate perhaps
Billions in unclaimed looted gold, perhaps?
His rhetoric is irresponsible, and there is a major gap between the two languages, but really all he's questioned about the holocaust is it's role in Palestine, and how people are quick to show outrage and disgust at the slightest questioning of it, and yet continue to use it as an excuse to obtain impunity.
Here is the Israeli response to today's events:
That response alone proves his point. They are swift to label others as anti-semetic, holocaust deniers etc... at the slightest questioning of their policies, and encourage other countries not to listen (AIPAC lobbied the US not to attend BTW).
Yeah, the guy is a snake. In public he's not a holocaust denier, he's merely a holocaust revisionist.
And as for the wiped off the map comment:
Its too bad the existence of the state of Israel and the zionist regime are inextricably linked. This whole scenario has been beaten to death on these boards. So I'm happy to leave it a just a disagreement.
Although I still think Ahmadinejad is one slimy guy talking out of both sides of his mouth, but I digress.
He is a typical politician, the US had it's own snake for 8 years.
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
"we have the intention of wiping Israel off the map"
First of all, the "Imam said" part is very important, because he was quoting what imam khomeini said 30 years ago. He was not talking for himself.
second the quote "this regime occupying palestine must vanish from the pages of time" is very different from the world wide belief that he said "we have the intention of wiping Israel off the map" and him quoting what some guy said 30 years ago is no basis for boycotting a UN summit. The Israelis however have swiftly jumped to conclusions of "anti-semetic" and "hate speech" and "see, we must attack Iran, they are a threat" as usual.
finally you can have an Israel without zionism, and a country that is home to ALL the people in the region, rather than just a homeland for the Jews. This aspect of the quote is just re-iterating Iran's long time push for a one state solution.
Regardless Iran is a major player in the region, without its inclusion in the process, there will never really be any peace. The first step is to actually listen to what the guy is saying, but as was shown in this conference, supposedly the most tolerant nations on earth are not willing to tolerate someone speaking out against zionism, and that itself raises a ton of suspicion.
Finally I must be missing something, but aren't Jewish-only settlements in the West bank and east Jerusalem racist? That you must be of a certain religion or race to live here and use the roads, schools etc...? Isn't the idea that god promised certain people land racist as well? That god "chose" certain people (who are thus superior) to live there? And isn't the entire concept of a country only for Jews (or Muslims, or Christians, or Blacks etc...) racist as well? That you must be of a certain religion or race to be really a part of the country, and that if you are of a certain race or religion you receive immediate citizenship? And doesnt all of that pretty much sum up what zionism is?