Was Hefner oppressor or liberator? Women debate his legacy

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  1. lowendlinux Contributor

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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainm...-debate-his-legacy/ar-AAsBk0Q?ocid=spartandhp

    So what do the PRSI ladies think Oppressor or Liberator?
     
  2. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    He definitely held misogynistic views and acted in misogynistic ways. But his legacy is complicated.
     
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    Hes an interesting character. Seemed to be loved by much of Hollywood/liberals/left-leaning people but he certainly benefitted from using women as sex objects(and profiting from it, big-time). So, this is one of those exceptions where the left is all about being pro-women and girl power except when said women are spread naked in magazines for weirdos to whack-off to. Or something like that.

    Very similar to how the left HATES rich people that made their money through business but they are perfectly fine with rich people that are athletes or entertainers. Whatevs.
     
  4. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I’ll vote for neither.

    Both terms don’t seem fitting and feel hyperbolic.
     
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    I agree.
    Issues are seldom so black and white.
     
  6. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    Agreed
     
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    Hugh filled a void that would have happened with or without him. Sexuality was in a lot of way repressed before Playboy made it “mainstream”. You could say his magazine is tasteful compared to where porn has evolved.
     
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    what did you really know about him?
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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/hugh-hefners-surprising-civil-rights-legacy?source=TDB&via=FB_Page
    man fittingly died on HUMP day.
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    he "liberated" a ton of "puppies" ;)
    there are a ton of memes that came out, some are freaking awesome but I can't post those :eek:
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  11. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    Has he ever forced or coerced any adult woman?
     
  12. AsherN macrumors 6502

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    Accounts I've heard was that the models were well paid and well treated, with respect. The magazine also, truly, had good writing, either fiction and non-fiction.
     
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    don't know.
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  14. GrumpyMom macrumors 604

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    I think he was just a guy who knew how to have fun and make a crapton of money at it and he exploited and celebrated the values of his era. Everyone loves boobies and bunnies and he was just clever to put the two images together and market the hell out of it.

    At any rate, declaring a dude who apparently spent life in his pj's as a liberator or assigning him blame as an oppressor of women takes away from the power and responsibility women have for making their own choices and shaping their own society.
     
  15. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    there was writing in the magazine?

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  16. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    Actually all joking aside the writing is great.
     
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    maybe one day I'll make it to the articles :p
    anyways
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    The US is repressed when it comes to sexuality.

    I've seen girls on the beach wearing less than a Playboy bunny, but no one would ever suggest they were being oppressed.

    I think in many ways Hefner was ahead of his time. There's a difference between being oppressed and being objectified. As for liberated - that's how every woman feels at the end of the day when she can remove her shoes and bra!
     
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    Hugh Hefner was a figure that America society and culture needed in the mid-20th century. In many respects US culture is still laughably repressed on many fronts, especially when it comes to things like nudity and adult relationships. You only have to compare the material that is available on most broadcast TV stations in the UK and Europe (after ~ 10PM) with the comparable US offerings to understand what I mean.

    Hefner, certainly in his younger years, was a pioneer when it came to funding top-quality print journalism.

    But somewhere along the line, Playboy and the philosophy behind it became, if not irrelevant, then at least somewhat tacky.

    I still get a bit of a chuckle out of a friend of mine who feels the need to pay a few dollars to have a magazine with softcore nude airbrushed photos in it mailed to him each month.

    And frankly, in this day and age, the patronizing objectification of much of Playboy's philosophy is pretty much of a turn-off to me. Heaven only knows how it makes women feel. The latter-day Hefner, he of the Girls Next Door seemed more pathetic than virile or admirable.

    I don't wish Hugh Hefner ill. I'll mourn him as a shining star in America's cultural universe. But Bob Guccione had a much, much better art collection. And Larry Flynt is much richer than the rest of them put together.

    Make of that what you will.
     
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    I remember when Grateful Dead visited the Playboy Mansion. hehe

    Seems they "spiked" the punch bowl with LSD.

    All kinds of weird stuff ensued.
     
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    Yep. And many of the stories that first appeared in Playboy were later adapted and made into movies. Everything from A Christmas Story to The Fly to Boys Don't Cry to Hurt Locker.
     
  22. Zenithal macrumors G3

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    I've learned more about the good Hefner did outside his world of models and sleeping with various women. And this is after his death. I think ABC did a biopic on him back in 99 or '00 that I watched halfway through then before falling asleep. The only scene I remember is him waking up, donning on a robe and visiting downtown where Playboy Industries was at the time, before being accosted by a security guard until someone from inside told the security guard who he was.
     
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    Can the guys post?

    ...since a guy posted anyway...

    While not perfects (who is??) I believe he did a lot to improve the lives of women in many indirect and a few direct ways.

    As he aged he started putting women in charge of his empire, which I think is now nearly 100% woman run, something that is incredibly rare.

    In addition, PlayBoy was nudes, not porn as most label it.

    Because it is about Nudes.
    Today Sports Illustrated is practically the same, with either back shots or painted on bikinis.

    BEST F#### POST EVAH!!!!!!

    3 Cheers to da man!
     
  24. lowendlinux, Sep 29, 2017
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    OFC the guys can post I'm a guy but I am actually interested in the forum ladies opinion some of which were of age when the OG bunnies were at their peak. I do have my opinion on the matter but then I'm not really the subject of the discussion so my opinion plays second fiddle to those that are.
     
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